Short fun game (immortal)

[Silu]

^ bbp: We can't get both early Edu and a Taj shot, feasibly Actually if Gandhi lightning-blasts towards Lib while we're going Nat we can just ditch the Edu&Lib plan altogether with little to no harm done.

About double bulb, well I think an Edu bulb is by far the best usage for the next-after-this GP, so if a double is feasible then we should go for it. Alternate is saving for a GA which doesn't feel quite as efficient.

Playing later today I guess.

 

[mystyfly]

I wouldn't delete any units now as they are especially once we get some WW... until then we can grow as much as we want... and with 2 big religious blocks starting to fight eachother we might be glad we keep some defences... btw remember my suggestion to demand something from gandhi so we can't be asked to DOW him the next 10 turns...

I doubt Gandhi will beeline lib as long as he's at war...

 

[bestsss]

you need him at pleased or have enough power for 'tribute'

 

[Silu]

^ I think we don't need to care about a little -diplo with Churchill... we have pretty much no chance of Friendly and religion should comfortably take us to Pleased. Except if he's doing really great in his war, then we can join the war with minimal downsides

 

[mystyfly]

Pleased is required for a gift... tribute is same but with a -1... whether or not the gift/demand is granted has nothing to do with power... there is a post about that mechanic somewhere....

 

[bestsss]

the remarks is about demand from Gandhi, unless you get 75% the demands don't work.
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i dont care about the posts and stuff
the code is as follows:

if (AI_getAttitude(ePlayer) < ATTITUDE_PLEASED)
{
[B]	if (GET_TEAM(getTeam()).getPower(false) > ((GET_TEAM(GET_PLAYER(ePlayer).getTeam()).getPower(false) * 4) / 3))[/B]
	{
		return false;
	}
}

if (AI_getMemoryCount(ePlayer, MEMORY_MADE_DEMAND_RECENT) > 0)
{
	return false;
}

 

[Silu]

I'm playing and I realized we didn't discuss HE city placing. I think Novgorod is the strongest choice here. Not sure if this becomes actual on my TS though.

 

[shyuhe]

Thanks for the code bestsss. Kind of funny how you can demand tribute from a stronger civ.

Novgorod is ok for the HE I guess. Really any city with a decent food surplus should do as long as we use enough workshops/mines.

 

[babybluepants]

Novgorod is ok... I don't imagine we'd be building HE already.

 

[Silu]

710AD-900AD: Stables stables everywhere

T97:

I notice St. Pete is just screaming for some chain irrigation.

Renegotiate Mao trade for net +3gpt
Don't renegotiate Gold trade with Churchill, hovering over it in the cancel screen shows him saying "We would have nothing to gain" so he has gotten one somewhere.

Put the discussed work boat as fogbust duty until the Iron filler is settled.

T98:

Paper is in, going for Aesthetics.

Biz builds Chichen Itza. Oh well, UoS is open already Set building to it to double the overflow, make Worker afterwards and then back to UoS.

Gandhi es about us and Churchill, no way buddy. Being Gandhi he doesn't even care his requests are denied.

The amount of unimproved tiles being worked is obscene. Though partly (mostly) that is because they're actually halfway usable in GA

T99:

Crowded turn. Ya-Sugar's Granary got bombed apparently by Mao, last turn of GA, Aesth is in with tons of trade opportunities.

Set research to Nationalism and slider to 0%.

WFYABTA could lurk behind any trade (haven't been counting). I consider Philo the best, so I start with that.

We could get a beautiful Machinery+5gold with Aest+(CS/Philo), but that would awkwardly leave HBR out of (non-lopsided) trading. The techs are really inconveniently sized here. I don't understand why Churchill has monopoly whine on Construction, it should be enough for 2 others to know it for him to trade it. I really think he has contacted a 6th Civ here, someone that knows Machinery no less. Narf, everything would be so beautiful if Gandhi didn't know Aesth Anyway, we don't really need Machinery here and we'd like to start up on some Stables so I make the HBR trade and leave Machinery up in the air for now. Churchill really doesn't need military help for now so we don't need to semi-gift Maces to him.

Convert to Hindu and OR. Stay at Caste.

Everyone but Mao has Aesth now, so I sell it to him lopsidedly since he's not anyones WE and is in WFYABTA anyway.

We get lights on in India due to this. How the hell did Gandhi manage to get so many damn cities with such a craptastic capital??? (Okay, Bombay and Vijay are pretty damn nice)

Sorry for the farked pic, Civ tends to do that sometimes and I didn't notice it before now Left it in anyway since I didn't take a lot of pics.

T100:

Set slider to full steam, we'll get Nat in 5 turns at 90% with some Wealth buildage from Moscow.

We could get a really nice Construction+150g trade with Paper from Gandhi (a fair one so no WE hate) but I decide against it as people seem to think he's our main threat of losing Lib.

Massive rearranging of citizens from unimproved tiles -> specialists. Still leaves a lot of worked forests and crap like that.

I change EP to Gandhi for a while to see his demographics. Nice to know who's winning the war.

Really should have grinded GP (was possible to do 6 with deficit, same as St. Pete) in Novgorod if we wanted double bulb, now the 2nd GP takes 14 turns. We might not be able to wait for it to double bulb Edu. Not a biggie anyway, the doublebulb wasn't that necessary in the first place as discussed also.

T101:

Gandhi gets Nationalism. This is obviously both good news (not anywhere near Lib) and bad news (our Taj shot might fail though it really shouldn't).

As predicted Churchill asks us to DoW Gandhi. Refused and as also predicted it's easy to stay at Pleased with religion.

A suspicious Galley by Mao is on its way south. I change Novgorod to Settler immediately and borrow a tile from Ya-Fish to build it in 3 turns instead of 4. It might be nothing, but oh would I be pissed off if he planted a damn city on our Iron. We'd also need Cons for the settling to be in time on our preferred spot in the worst case scenario - we could get that from Gandhi but he wasted his gold and we're not that desperate yet.

Churchill's cash is rising, a bit more and selling Philo+CS for Machinery+cash would be OK (has 130g now so around 340g for the other in that case). I just wish Construction would be in the trade instead.

T102:

Nothing much

T103:

Churchill gets Feudalism. Doesn't affect much though except maybe his capability to defend against Gandhi. Also the powers change from 0.7 vs 0.6 to 0.8 vs 0.6 so Churchill is on the losing side ATM. No way he'll lose cities though.

Biz went Optics, don't think he'll be threatening Lib either.

Building Moai in Ya-Copper, no other sensible place for it really and will turn it into an OK prod city.

T104:

Making Hindu Monastery in Ya-Sugar for at least a semblance of culture battle. We'll lose though in the long run.

Zzz.

T105:

Damn, Biz made UoS fast. Could have milked a bit more gold from it without the Settler panic which turned out to be a bust.

Starting Taj in Moscow. Should be about 8 turns.


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Our tech is going according to plan, after all we get the double bulb and no one seems to threaten it badly. The settler should probably settle the original intended spot, it's standing where it is because we would have had to settle 1S of Iron had that Galley been a Settler-bearing one. Probably some worker mismicro here and there but the most important jobs should be done (namely the three sets of chain irrigation). Uneventful TS after the initial GA + trade frenzy all in all.

Tech now Lit->Music->Edu->Lib. Can swap Edu and Music if someone is scared about losing it, means running 0% for a while waiting for the second scientist. Not many trades abound, there's still the CS+Philo for Machinery+cash option. I wouldn't take it though (probably evident from the fact that I did not take it ).

 

[babybluepants]

Nicely done, Silu

Looks like everything is just rolling along as per plan. Can't look at the save 'till tonight...

0.1 change in power is nothing. He may have just built a few units to round it up. Could check actual soldier number compared to previous save (he was tops, so visible in F9 Demo). I don't think Churchill's going anywhere. Gandhi vs. PRO longbows is a joke.

Tech path sounds ok. I don't think we need a second GS, esp. with another golden age coming.

 

[mystyfly]

Nothing much to say before looking at the save, seems like it's going good.

bbp, you're up!

 

[babybluepants]

^ Seriously?! I feel like I just played... Guess we've had two skips. I'm not sure when I can play, quite busy this week. shyuhe, you wanna swap?

EDIT: Scratch that. I think I can play Wednesday night. I'll look at the save and post a plan later today.

 

[babybluepants]

Plan

• Where do we settle for the iron? 2S of banana? I don't think we can borrow the banana right now, as Yakutsk needs it, but maybe after a couple of jungle farms are up.
• Tech path: Lit / Music / Edu (2 bulbs) / Lib.
• We're not trading with Gandhi, correct? We could probably have Music, maybe for Paper. Should I do that, if I can make it a fair trade? Since we're double-bulbing Edu, we should easily beat him to Lib anyway. I'd at least keep an eye out for him teching Paper, so we can unload it if that's the case?
• I'll look to get construction and machinery during my set. Guilds would also be nice to have soon, to make shops decent (esp. as we're presumably switching back to Slavery soon).
• Do we wanna leave 2 forests in Moscow for health? I would. There's still another chop coming, so Taj in 8-ish turns.
• St. Pete: We're chopping a tile because it's flipping, and that leaves 2 forests for +1 health. We're currently at +2 health there. I'd finish Lit in 2t, so we can put the current chop into NE. Wouldn't rush NE beyond that, since we need to rush the GS first.
• Do we have consensus on HE in Novgorod? I'll build it asap.
• Run artists in two barb cities for border pops.
• We have 14 workers, but it somehow feels like a low number, due to all the jungle... I guess we don't wanna build any more right now? Worker priority is clearing the jungle right now.
• Finish barracks/stable where they're not up yet.

I'll play to Taj completion, which should be a couple of turns from Lib.

 

[shyuhe]

Sounds like a good plan. I'd send the workers north as needed for jungle clearing. We should be able to capture some workers once we start warring - speaking of which, we need to start thinking of our first victim.

I wouldn't trade paper to Gandhi until after we double bulb education, just to be on the safe side. I wouldn't worry about fair trade - we're either gonna kill all of our neighbors or vassal them and diplomacy doesn't matter in either situation.

 

[Silu]

Ctrl+x shows the proposed Iron filler spot, I think it's the best. Settling south of that replaces some east tiles with desert and uses up a hill IIRC so that's not enticing.

If you can useful stuff with a fair trade from Gandhi then go for it. I could have traded as well, no way he's threatening our Lib. Getting Music would be nice as to bank up enough cash to 100% Lib right away when we get the 2nd scientist.

Cons Machi Feuda Guilds are convenience techs right now, but as we'll be aiming that way after Gunpowder anyway take those in trades if possible.

Generally the plan sound great, can't believe I forgot to run artists in those 2.

Worker priority is in places like Ya-Fish still removing the use of unimproved tiles, in addition to what you mentioned. If there's chopping to be done and nothing to chop just store the chops by building Wealth.

 

[shyuhe]

Chop banking is limited now because of how they changed the gold overflow mechanism. I'd sink the hammers into something useful like the Taj or a university in Moscow.

 

[Silu]

Chop banking is limited now because of how they changed the gold overflow mechanism. I'd sink the hammers into something useful like the Taj or a university in Moscow.

Yeah I mostly meant the forests in Ya-Fish, if we bank them and use for a Cuirassier then we can easily store at least 4 forests without fear of losing overflow.

EDIT: If we mean the same thing with "banking" here, I just meant storing the hammers by building Wealth when the forest is chopped (so the hammers are used only when the build is changed to a unit/building), not the good-ole chop-overflow-economy of pre-3.19 days

 

[babybluepants]

can't believe I forgot to run artists in those 2.

Sorry, I had to stick in a little friendly dig. It's not even a big deal, as the libraries are up soon anyway.

I completely forgot we still need GP. Kept thinking we're just spamming cuirassiers after my set... Whatever, that's just a few turns probably.

I'll look to make the Music trade. It speeds up Lib by a couple of turns, I think. Keep an eye out for Gandhi teching Paper and delay as much as possible.

Another thing - do we want GT with HE? We don't have Drama yet, and IIRC only Gandhi does. Theaters are dirt cheap and we have solid production most everywhere, so it would be pretty easy to get built.

@shyuhe, I've kinda been thinking Mao > Gandhi, then the other two. Mao could go into war mode at any point, and we're the clear target. We have shared religion with the other two, and they're weak. Take down the big boys first. Mao is the tougher of the two, with PRO longbows and much higher unit spam ability. He's also nearby, so we can start with some siege, and then rush Gandhi with 2-move only?

 

[mystyfly]

I marked that spot for our ironfiller city during my last set.

By all means, take any trades to reach MT + gunpowder faster...

I don't think we need even more workers lol.

I am not sure about our first target tbh. Generally I think like bbp, take down the big guns first... However, mao might be thoughest to crack due to pro, but gandhi is teching very fast and since he's in WHEOOH he might beeline rifling, that would cause some troubles. Also we've been focusing nearly all EPs on biz for some city revolts. We might build 1-2 spies to try and steal some techs and/or gold from him to use up our EPs and now distribute so we can see everyone's demos. I think attacking mao > gandhi now is best. Gandhi imo is a bigger threat but if we get his land first we'll have huge borders to defend and revolting cities left, right and center. Maybe we'll want to sign a ceasefire or even a peace treaty and cut down gandhi a bit.