amadeus
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Should AI Write books?
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and this is nothing more than trash
Obnoxious tech bros fleece the bucks
while VC pinheads throw their cash
Crezth
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I think that AI writing is logically very good because AI can write faster and with fewer spelling errors and grammatical issues than the average human writer. If you think about it like a business, writing is about producing as much coherent output as possible as quickly as possible. You want to saturate the space, and certain complexity is better off omitted. This will be very good for humanity as improved economic output is always good.
Mediocre and would-be writers who cannot sell their own work will be the ones who use AI in an effort up their game and try to earn a living through AI books. Good writers don't need AI. Bad ones will try to get the AI to "write like Stephen King". Seems to me that AI writing will flow into fanfiction easily since there are no copyright issues. And what about NaNoWriMo? A couple of thousand words a day might pretty easy for AI. Planning an AI written book is not writing it; it just producing it. Editing after the fact is editing (a different job) and not writing it. AI is for the untalented and the unskilled. That doesn't mean it won't have it place though.
Crezth
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Eh. AI writing scientists will find ways to construct prompts logically for the most coherent output that correlates to their requirements possible. "Write like Stephen King" is just thinking small; you can technically seed an arbitrarily large input in some configurations (and with enough memory) and the output is correspondingly generated. This is what some LinkedIn geniuses and such call "prompt engineering." The way they talk about it is usually pretty limited, but in terms of the technology's overall capability, it's pretty clear the trajectory is going to be for more rigidly specifiable prompts and finer sub-systems for sorting the elements of a desired output. You want it to just spit out a book for you; ChatGPT isn't really built for that now, but you can architect the pieces ChatGPT is made out of to funnel prompts and outputs together into subsequent outputs to refine what you get. Because of the way neural networks work, this'll mostly be trial and error, but you've already got the crazies trying to do this as they can do right now, and it's just going to get more sophisticated as they eat each other.
I do not see it. As said above, AI is a tool. The best output is likely to be from the talented and skillful who use the best tools for them. For some that is likely to be AI.
You know how in some stories the protagonist in a way is not a character but the world itself, which sets a trap or presents other danger? (eg a famous one on the web is Enigma of Amigara Fault). Imagine being in a world with traps but lacking awareness not only of the traps existing, but the very notion of trap. And then there are the bad limitations of ai.
Crezth
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There was quite a lot of kerfuffle when it first became possible to draw pictures on your computer, wasn't there?
Was there? I cannot really remember a kerfuffle, but that does not mean much.
In general, yes, but when it comes to writing books, AI replacing humans requires new skills. The skill will be in writing the best prompts not stories, characters or coherent text. Creative "programmers" will get the best results. The question remains whether or not those with the "talent of Stephen King" can coax their brains to write good enough prompts to replace the hard work of writing from scratch.
I've discovered AI over the past couple of weeks. Before that, it wasn't really on my radar. I have a ton of ideas for my own creative writing, but AI can give me a starting point for some gaps.
AI certainly can DM for DnD and do certain adult content much better than most of what is out there.
I also created a character based on a former user that no longer haunts these parts so I can troll and get trolled back - AI is certainly a step ahead there. Don't think I'm going to create a moderator for that.
AI certainly can DM for DnD and do certain adult content much better than most of what is out there.
I also created a character based on a former user that no longer haunts these parts so I can troll and get trolled back - AI is certainly a step ahead there. Don't think I'm going to create a moderator for that.
Broken_Erika
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I prefer the better AI for writing stories
And how would you "ensure" that no plagiarism occurs?
The real problem isn't producing low-quality crap that nobody wants. The real problem is people being cheated in thinking that what they're buying is at least acceptable quality and getting nonsense instead. An even more real problem is stealing real authors' identities to market this stuff.
As for quality control... other than the mechanics of it (ie. making sure the formatting, spelling, grammar, punctuation are correct), "quality" is subjective. There are people who can't wrap their minds around Margaret Atwood's writing style, for example, and therefore deem it to be garbage. I happen to think her style is very good, and definitely different and complex in ways that a lot of other authors' styles aren't. That's one reason why it's taking literally decades for me to figure out that Handmaid's Tale/Sliders fanfic I started back in the '90s - trying to combine both Atwood's style, Sliders' characterization and dialogue, and make them a coherent, harmonious story (albeit a really violent one) is a challenge.
But at least I'm not claiming to have created either the Republic of Gilead or the characters and setting of the Sliders series. Two things that story is supposed to accomplish are to explore what happened to the Waterfords' previous Handmaid (the one who hanged herself) and find a way to get rid of a Sliders character I really loathed ('bye, Maggie, I won't miss you!). A third thing it's supposed to accomplish is to see if I'm up for the challenge of writing multiple sets of the same characters from different universes, in two distinct writing styles at the same time.
It can't be sold, of course. It can't even be offered as a free e-book. That would be illegal, and both Margaret Atwood and whoever holds the rights to Sliders would be really unhappy. I can, however, post it on a fanfiction site with the requisite disclaimers that I don't claim ownership of others' copyrighted works and make it clear what, if any, part of either Atwood's book, the 1990 movie, or the Sliders episodes I might directly quote. Those are mandatory on the fanfic sites.
Hm. It's cute. It's even a really simple sonnet format. Parts of it make no sense, but it does rhyme.
Can machines touch the heart? Only if they're one of those Pioneer and Voyager probes that are somewhere on the outskirts of the solar system. For some reason I tend to tear up when I think of the immense journey those probes are undertaking.
There are reviewers that are actually just "house names". I giggle whenever I hear someone brag that "Harriet Klausner" liked their book. If this was a real person, she'd have to read and review over half a dozen books a day, 24/7/365, and that's a conservative guesstimate. There is an insane number of reviews attributed to Klausner. It's impossible for one person to produce all that. This has been going on for a very long time.
Okay, maybe I should take a crack at this. Offer an AI the same prompts that Merlin fanfic writers use for their Whumptober stories (a fanfiction event that takes place in October, where the goal is to produce 31 short stories that use one or more prompts that have been provided) and see if the AI comes up with anything close to some of the stories I've read (I've never tried this event myself, though I'm considering it as a warmup to the November NaNo). To succeed, the AI's story will either have to make me laugh and giggle for at least 5 minutes, or be moved to cry over one or more of the characters, while providing a good exploration of character and/or an adventure.
That's what humans produce for this event (some of those stories will be among my fanfic recommendations when I get that thread going in A&E). And even though I'm not into the explicit smut part of the 'ship stories, I wonder what an AI would come up with.
As for NaNoWriMo, of course a couple of thousand words/day would be easy for an AI. An AI could do it in seconds, right? Maybe a few minutes? After all, there's no real thought involved, just lifting material from this and that source, and throwing it together. Just think - if I really wanted to cheat, I could have my 50k words done in the first half hour.
And y'know what? I'd be disqualified. Do you really think NaNoWriMo is some place where there are no rules?
The most words I ever did in a single day numbered about 8500 or so (I'd have to look at my old notes to be sure). That was on November 30, 2018, when I had to cram 4 weeks' worth of writing into 3 weeks due to the worst case of writer's block I'd ever had taking up the first week. I validated at less than 5 minutes to the deadline.Obviously 8500 words/day is doable by a human. Even 10k/day is doable, if you've got nothing else to do all day and your hands don't cramp up (writing that much in a day is physically painful, particularly when you've got that 11:59 pm deadline looming and 2018 was one of the years when you had to copy/paste everything into the part of the site where it would validate the number of words you did, in order to claim a win; it's on the honor system now).
My BS detector would go off if someone claimed much more than 10k/day, though. NaNo's BS detector would probably go off for something like 15k and over.
Hm. I'm reminded of Alan Dean Foster's Mid-World novels. Mid-World is a planet almost completely covered in jungle, where about 99% of it wants to eat you in some way or use you to help it propagate. Nevertheless, there are humanoids living there who have figured out how to do it safely. Visitors to the planet usually end up dead because they don't know what's safe and what isn't. Even escaping to a mountaintop isn't safe, because there are plants with tendrils that will reach out of the canopy to try to drag you back so they can kill and digest you.
Mid-World itself is as much a protagonist as Flinx (the human who visits there).
Ditto Majipoor, in Robert Silverberg's novel Lord Valentine's Castle. Majipoor is an immense planet, home to humans and many other sentient species, very Earthlike, and is amazing. Silverberg has always refused to allow his Majipoor novels to be optioned, as he has NO trust in Hollywood to do justice to either his world or the characters populating it. And that's a shame; even Lord Valentine's Castle itself would make a great miniseries. There's too much to cram into a single movie, though if it were ever done as a 2-part movie, I know exactly where I'd put the dividing point (it would be quite the cliffhanger).
Writing a good prompt is no guarantee of a good story.
It can, but it's inadequate. A good DM has to be flexible and creative, which an AI DM cannot do.
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Late to the thread but, yes. All "AI" (as per the meaning understood generally by the thread, which kinda skips a few decades of academic work in a non-exploitative space) content is inherently plaguarised.
Need a sarcasm check to work out what the actual opinion here is, given your earlier post read as very sarcastic (in a good way).
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It's a tool, and people who have some background in literary theory can come up with ideas to refine the output, also with trial and error ^^
To paraphrase the epicurians, even a donkey can see that ai itself cannot produce good fiction.
To paraphrase the epicurians, even a donkey can see that ai itself cannot produce good fiction.
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Neither can most people; even those who want to be writers.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
Genuinely meant question. Statistical algorithms do sample libraries of existing art and “collage” it together. But as long as people work out who owns what and property owners enforce the rights to content libraries against each other I don’t see the issue with plagiarism. YouTube is already built to tell if you uploaded a picosecond of Pink Floyd and will appropriately nuke your video from orbit, sparing the record labels the indignation of a picosecond of lost revenue.
This plagiarism thing will naturally require some regulation, some arbitration, as all industry does in order to function properly. But at that point AI art is just a sophisticated tool that happens to produce exactly the slop that corporations needs to keep people staring, slack-jawed, at colorful moving images, possibly on a nonstop basis, forever. There’s something beautiful in that, don’t you think?
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Because money is the be all end all of our society and often used as a primary way of proving one's social value over others within the society. Making money the honest way is hard and there's not much in honest work sometimes, so to gain higher status and prowess you cheat from time to time. Doesn't help either that you also need money to feed the kids or keep the house (or keep the wife
). Hence gangsters, mobsters, drug dealers, scammers, hackers, hitmen, mercenaries, highwaymen, vikings, pirates, etc.Also some people get an adrenaline rush and thus pleasure from doing bad things and not getting caught, some strange quirk of human evolution whereby it was evolutionarily beneficial to feel pleasure after an adrenaline rush from killing saber tooth tigers in order to better facilitate neutralizing them as a predatory threat. Most likely the prime reason humans in general have relished and glorified violent acts throughout history, and entertained by them as well.
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