Mr. Dictator
A Chain-Smoking Fox
so here's your train of thought:
fitzgerald wanted to pin somebody with a crime.
he pinned libby with a crime.
libby should get away with it because fitzgerald set out to pin him.
seriously?
Should Bush pardon Libby?
- Thread starter Che Guava
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so here's your train of thought:
fitzgerald wanted to pin somebody with a crime.
he pinned libby with a crime.
libby should get away with it because fitzgerald set out to pin him.
seriously?
amadeus
Bishop of Bio-Dome
The whole pretense of Fitzgerald's investigation was false, however: Valerie Plame was not a covert agent of the CIA under any standard.
Ecofarm
Deity
That's true. This was entirely political. What, does someone think dems don't do things like that?!
Anyway, the guy's name is SCOOTER. You can't bust someone named scooter, it's in the rules.
If you're gonna bust people, bust people named Axelrod, Rod and Rahm. You can try to bust Dick, but he the most awesomist.
If Scooter can't practice law, what will the Marc Rich's of the world do when they need legal represenatation?
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
Seems I am not the only one whose predictions arent going so well in 2008.
It still could happen, although maybe I will be off by less than a month if Bush waits until he is headed out the door.
I am pretty sure that there will be a final round of pardons during the last few days (hours?) of this presidency - and maybe Libby gets one then (I doubt it though) - but it won't happen this year - seeing that he just issued 19 pardons (even one posthumous one 
) and did not list Libby...
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j6mH44rWD9yyZf_AZ7YxQDVFL7WwD958JP600
) and did not list Libby...http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j6mH44rWD9yyZf_AZ7YxQDVFL7WwD958JP600
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
Remember, in the CIA, having a desk job and shuffling papers is still considered 'covert'......hell, they have ninjas make the coffee in that place...
So one should be very careful about outing someone in the CIA or obstruicting an investigation about such an outing, unless you can count on at least a commute for the Pres.
FriendlyFire
Codex WMDicanious
Well the economy being in good shape and especially the stockmarket comments werent the best of predictions. At least your not scrambling to place blame on the democrates.
FriendlyFire
Codex WMDicanious
What is Bush thinking ?
Oh well at least hes nearly gone from office.
Ecofarm
Deity
Will we need to listen to EVERY pardon from people on CFC? How tiresome. As if Clinton pardoning a guy who had served time for child molestation is not the worst. All presidents have hundreds of pardons; please, please spare us the daily update. And have enough self-respect to cite something more decent than huffington. And no hack books either. Obviously, people can get the same story from somewhere else... no need to show one's bias with such a complete lack of self-awareness.
Ansar
Détente avec l'été
-.-;
And I thought that Che Guava was back...
And I thought that Che Guava was back...
He won't pardon Libby because pardoned people can't plead the Fifth Amendment. That's my prediction. I hope I'm wrong.
It will be interesting to watch the coming pardons, though, especially with respect to the administration's detention policy. Will Bush pardon people so that they can no longer plead the Fifth Amendment? Then a fact-finding commission will have full access to everything, and if the facts are heinous enough, I could see the American people supporting international prosecutions. Or will he not pardon them and hope that Obama won't be willing to prosecute? Most current Democrats are political cowards, so I think the latter is a safe bet, but if it's wrong . . .
Cleo
It will be interesting to watch the coming pardons, though, especially with respect to the administration's detention policy. Will Bush pardon people so that they can no longer plead the Fifth Amendment? Then a fact-finding commission will have full access to everything, and if the facts are heinous enough, I could see the American people supporting international prosecutions. Or will he not pardon them and hope that Obama won't be willing to prosecute? Most current Democrats are political cowards, so I think the latter is a safe bet, but if it's wrong . . .
Cleo
Ecofarm
Deity
Fantasizing about heinous evidence is not healthy. Strange, I don't remember you supporting fantasizing about Obama and the senate seat.
Pardoned people may not be able to plead the 5th, but then do they need to? Because they can't be imprisoned for anything they did that they were pardoned for all they need to do is refuse to testify. Or would that open them up to contempt or obstruction charges?
It would be contempt. Normally you can't be held in contempt for refusing to answer a question that would incriminate you. But pardoned people can't "incriminate" themselves, so they can't refuse to testify about crimes they committed. And Obama's transition team has said that he wants to form a fact-finding commission (like the 9/11 commission) to determine what happened; if Bush pardons a bunch of people, they have to testify about any crimes they might have committed.
So if it's going to be a fact-finding commission, it's in Bush's interest not to pardon, but then if he doesn't pardon, there could be prosecutions. Sort of a Catch-22. Unless, of course, Obama listens to the Beltway establishment and simply doesn't do anything about it.
Cleo
