Should France Have A Referendum On The European Constitution

Should France Have A Referendum On The European Constitution?

  • Yes, the French people should have a say

    Votes: 19 65.5%
  • No, the constitution is merely a treaty tidying up existing procedures

    Votes: 4 13.8%
  • Don't know, don't care, the French should have a referendum on whether or not they want to place a m

    Votes: 6 20.7%
  • Other

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    29
  • Poll closed .

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Downing Street has moved to calm talk of a rift with France over the issue of a referendum on the EU constitution.
In a newspaper article, Tony Blair has told the French people why he believes such a vote is essential.

But No 10 denied the article would add pressure on French President Jacques Chirac to hold a referendum, saying it should be kept "in perspective".

He said the two leaders had discussed the UK referendum and EU expansion "earlier this week".

"If a French newspaper asks for an article it is sensible to write one setting out our position.

"The French government's position on the matter is a matter for the French government," Mr Blair's spokesman said.

He confirmed Mr Blair was to meet Giscard D'Estaing, until recently the man in charge of drawing up the draft EU constitution, later on Wednesday.

He said the meeting had been arranged because Mr D'Estaing "was in town".

In a front page opinion piece for the centre-left Le Monde newspaper, Tony Blair said that it was time to let the British public decide on the issue.

Headlined 'My Europe', the article said the enlarged European Union will give the organization a "new energy".

The BBC's Paris correspondent Caroline Wyatt says that Mr Chirac has been reluctant to call a vote.

This is because of fears that it could turn into a protest vote against either an unpopular French government or further European enlargement.

On his decision to let voters decide on whether the UK should sign up to the constitution, Mr Blair said that the time had come to put his cards on the table.

It was the chance for Euro-sceptics and pro-Europeans to put forward their arguments, but he has said he was sorry that the issue had been presented "in such a bad light."

"It is impossible to argue intelligently when the debate centres not on the merits of the planned constitution, but on whether there is good reason to consult the people on the subject," he said.

There has been no comment from the Elysee Palace on Mr Blair's article, but Mr Chirac will give a press conference about Europe on Thursday which may offer some clues as to his position on a referendum, Caroline Wyatt has said.

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What do you think?
 
yes, all EU countries should have a referendum over this, for the point Hamlet mentioned.
 
Originally posted by Hamlet
Yes. The more democratic and less elite-driven The EU becomes, the better.
:goodjob: The bard himself could not have put it better.
 
If there's no referendum then the European Constitution will no doubt lack credibility.

So yes, a referendum must be held.
 
what's the problem with the EU being elite-driven?

I'm absolutely in favour of more direct legitimation to the EU...because this will help the EU becoming more independent from national vetoes and deciding in the interest of the European people as a whole instead of being torn between the governments.
 
Originally posted by Mazarin
what's the problem with the EU being elite-driven?

Why should any political vehicle as mature as The EU be elite driven?

Pre-Maastricht, when the then EC was pretty much still an inter-governmental trading bloc, it was totally understanderble, but it's just ridiculous to expect it to continue at this stage.
 
What will probably happen is that:

Britain will hold a referendum and allow foreigners to vote, but will quibble the details and fail to send voting cards in adequate time to Britons overseas.

France will hold a referendum, limit voting to nationals and maybe a few long term residents and sent voting cards overseas.

So many British people away will get zero = no = 0 votes,
while french people living in Britain can vote twice.

Am I cynic?

We shall say whether it is "oops" or "I told you so"
 
Of course, I mean they are going to be stuck with it so they should have a say as to whether their nation agrees. (I only beleive in this when it comes to handing over national power)
 
Originally posted by EdwardTking
What will probably happen is that:

Britain will hold a referendum and allow foreigners to vote, but will quibble the details and fail to send voting cards in adequate time to Britons overseas.

What on earth are you talking about?

Hey Hitro. :)
 
Originally posted by Hamlet
Hey Hitro. :)
What the hell brought you back here? ;)

Seriously though I don't think such a referendum would have much of a chance of being successful in any of the bigger countries, though I'm not sure about France.
 
What makes you think that a referendum would not succeed in Germany: the media are vastly pro EU, no political party clearly objects the constitution (the Christian Democrats would like God to be mentioned:rolleyes:...but this is something nobody really cares about). I'm convinced that the scepticism would be defeated through better information of the people (remember the Euro: most used to be against it for a long time and changed their minds once they received the information they lacked)
 
I don't think it would make any difference. The French would overwhelmingly ratify it.

Heck, I'm sure there would be over a million people rallying in the streets of Paris waving EU flags and banners to intimidate and disown the 5 or 6 guys who might consider voting against it.
 
The French are generally quite Eurosceptical, as Mr King has so kindly illustrated.

Not to the extent of The UK, but they aren't anywhere near as Pro-EU as, say, Germany is.
 
Well, I'm exagerating, of course, but my experience with French people, both on these webboards and in France itself, has been that they are quite pro-EU.

As they should be. All things EU are very much in the best interest of the French.
 
Originally posted by SeleucusNicator
Well, I'm exagerating, of course, but my experience with French people, both on these webboards and in France itself, has been that they are very pro-EU.
The French are very pro-Europe, not necessarily pro-EU.
Originally posted by hamlet
The more democratic and less elite-driven The EU becomes, the better.
This is exactly my view. The problem with the EU is that no one trusts it. The reason they don't trust it is because the people have no been given a say about its development. Some see this and think they can't ask the people's view because they will say no and EU development is important to be stopped. However what they should be thinking is that the people are saying no for a reason. We must find out this reason and sort it out, then move forward.
 
Originally posted by Hamlet
Not to the extent of The UK, but they aren't anywhere near as Pro-EU as, say, Germany is.
:confused:

Originally posted by Mazarin
What makes you think that a referendum would not succeed in Germany: the media are vastly pro EU, no political party clearly objects the constitution (the Christian Democrats would like God to be mentioned...but this is something nobody really cares about). I'm convinced that the scepticism would be defeated through better information of the people (remember the Euro: most used to be against it for a long time and changed their minds once they received the information they lacked)
Fair point, if the media would overwhelmingly make propaganda in favour of it, it might well, like any issue, lead to a positive outcome for the Constitution.
However, I think if you'd hold it tomorrow that wouldn't be the case. And it's not said that the media would definitely ignore all anti-Constitution voices, though I agree that it is possible.
 
I'll repeat a question I asked in another thread, which was, what's the point of an EU if it's built over its members' heads?

The EU Parliament seems more like a chummy cabal of governments than a truly representative European democratic body. The EU needs reform badly, or else it will founder soon. And I wouldn't want to see that. The free trade, free movement laws are ideals I would like to see applied to our own continent eventually.
 
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