Should the Golden Rule be followed?

[CoolioVonHoolio]

they just know that they can do this to strike terror into our hearts and have no real repercussions. and amazingly many peoples reactions to this subject would not be to punish the terrorist who did this, they would rather "get our boys outta there" and let all the brave soldiers who did die, die in vain

 

[Tulkas12]

You bombed Libya when not even at war with them and killed many islamic innocents? This hatred never existed in a vaccum despite you wanting to believe it is so.

Following the Golden rule isn't easy but it's never been tried AFAIK, again it's worth a go just for the novelty value.

Um, as I recall their was a good reason we bombed Libya. . .http://history1900s.about.com/library/weekly/aa051800a.htm

This was a state defending brutal murderers.

 

[.Shane.]

so report it, and quit whining to us about it. Be contructive!

My suggestion was constructive. You just didn't like it. Nor was it directed to you.

/shrug

Anyway, enjoy this fine thread. I'll leave you to your insults.

 

[Sidhe]

Um, as I recall their was a good reason we bombed Libya. . .http://history1900s.about.com/library/weekly/aa051800a.htm

This was a state defending brutal murderers.

OK so therefore it's Ok to launch a sneak attack to take out a target you missed anyway, and escalate the situation to new levels? I can see a sort of common thread here, it's kind of like we should kill, let's give into the dark side and go nuts, because that always works in a battle to appear the more level headed side and to win the people over.

 

[Arcades057]

And so it goes, lucky not everyone is prepared to escalate war based on a lack of knowledge of what is really going on, I aint claiming what they did is right but then I aint claiming anything at all, it does behoove you to show us how hatred fosters a better sitatuion in Iraq.

Well let's go about it in a backward route. Young Muslims are taught in school in that corner of the world to hate everything not like them. They're taught Jews are bad, Christians are infidels, and women are basically one step up from inanimate property. So they're taught how to hate from an early age, much like a young child growing up in Fortress Europe would have been indoctrinated into Nazism.

They then export that hatred, in the form of verbal calls to Jihad and acts of terror, around the world, eventually instilling in many the idea that the only way to get to heaven is to kill people not like you. Then people commit acts of terror against those not like them.

We in America and elsewhere in the civilized world are taught in school to accept the differences of others, even to our own deficit. We are forced to find nothing wrong with other cultures and religions, even if deep in our heart we find those views to be repugnant. If we go out and kill others for the benefit of our religion or politics, we are put in jail and can face execution. In some countries in the Middle East it's OK to execute your wife if she cheats on you, or your daughter if she has sex before marriage.

So where does the hate come from? From the fact that we went to the Middle East and showed them how to take the oil out of the ground and made them wealthy beyond all measure? Is it something that we did to them?

Or is it something that THEY did to themselves?

 

[Sidhe]

Well let's go about it in a backward route. Young Muslims are taught in school in that corner of the world to hate everything not like them. They're taught Jews are bad, Christians are infidels, and women are basically one step up from inanimate property. So they're taught how to hate from an early age, much like a young child growing up in Fortress Europe would have been indoctrinated into Nazism.

Strawman, no only fundementalists are taught that, you did fail to seperate liberal muslims from hardcore minorities.

They then export that hatred, in the form of verbal calls to Jihad and acts of terror, around the world, eventually instilling in many the idea that the only way to get to heaven is to kill people not like you. Then people commit acts of terror against those not like them.

Only the fundementalists and as I stated very much 0.0001% deal there

We in America and elsewhere in the civilized world are taught in school to accept the differences of others, even to our own deficit. We are forced to find nothing wrong with other cultures and religions, even if deep in our heart we find those views to be repugnant. If we go out and kill others for the benefit of our religion or politics, we are put in jail and can face execution. In some countries in the Middle East it's OK to execute your wife if she cheats on you, or your daughter if she has sex before marriage.

You didn't listen to the message of tolerance then as your first post indicates that you would espouse revenge over tolerance

So where does the hate come from? From the fact that we went to the Middle East and showed them how to take the oil out of the ground and made them wealthy beyond all measure? Is it something that we did to them?

If you knew your history you would know full well that we sought to exploit the middle East from day one for it's oil, they got rich, we despised the unrest caused by our heavy handed power plays and we got burned, then like a little but of history repeating we tried to reinforce our exploitation again and it backfired, I'm trusting you'll look into the history, again this hatred never existed in a vaccum.

Or is it something that THEY did to themselves?

Very much an exploitation deal that backfired

Bold by me.

Try to have a reasoned argument based on history, to me this seems little more than a rant, go away and come back when you know a little more is my advice.

 

[Tulkas12]

Well let's go about it in a backward route. Young Muslims are taught in school in that corner of the world to hate everything not like them. They're taught Jews are bad, Christians are infidels, and women are basically one step up from inanimate property. So they're taught how to hate from an early age, much like a young child growing up in Fortress Europe would have been indoctrinated into Nazism.

They then export that hatred, in the form of verbal calls to Jihad and acts of terror, around the world, eventually instilling in many the idea that the only way to get to heaven is to kill people not like you. Then people commit acts of terror against those not like them.

We in America and elsewhere in the civilized world are taught in school to accept the differences of others, even to our own deficit. We are forced to find nothing wrong with other cultures and religions, even if deep in our heart we find those views to be repugnant. If we go out and kill others for the benefit of our religion or politics, we are put in jail and can face execution. In some countries in the Middle East it's OK to execute your wife if she cheats on you, or your daughter if she has sex before marriage.

So where does the hate come from? From the fact that we went to the Middle East and showed them how to take the oil out of the ground and made them wealthy beyond all measure? Is it something that we did to them?

Or is it something that THEY did to themselves?

Liberals will always defend evil with moral relativism. They will be here soon trust me. Sidhe is not so bad about this usually, but hey US soldiers dying is a good thing in 75% of this forum's eyes as they think it encourages us to leave the area(supposedly). It only doubles my resolve to fix these sick people.

 

[Sidhe]

Liberals will always defend evil with moral relativism. They will be here soon trust me. Sidhe is not so bad about this usually, but hey US soldiers dying is a good thing in 75% of this forum's eyes as they think it encourages us to leave the area(supposedly). It only doubles my resolve to fix these sick people.

They are, sick fundementalist radicals are brainwashed nuts, but if you dig a little deeper you may see where this hatred came from, and the source of the indoctrination against the west.

 

[Tulkas12]

They are, sick fundementalist radicals are brainwashed nuts, but if you dig a little deeper you may see where this hatred came from, and the source of the indoctrination against the west.

I'm very well aware of what BP did, this is not near a viable enough excuse. Hardly, most of these people's at the time of manipulation believed they were being liberated from Turkish rule. This swings both ways, and they use it both ways now don't they?

 

[Sidhe]

I'm very well aware of what BP did, this is not near a viable enough excuse. Hardly, most of these people's at the time of manipulation believed they were being liberated from Turkish rule. This swings both ways, and they use it both ways now don't they?

good, BP wasn't responsible our government was. Of course it swings both ways, but to claim we're in the ascendence is entirely ignoring the actions of our political machinations to secure oil. I don't think this thread has much life, the OP is way to biased, and if I may say so, so are you. It is very much a guns blazing argument, and theirs only one way to respond to that sort of provocation both in this thread and in the real world, fight fire with fire, and throw more oil into the mix,they'll respond to this by increasing the hate. I'll just respond with reason if you'll alow.

 

[Arcades057]

Sidhe, you failed to read the post you quoted. Muslim schools in the US, for the most part, are the more liberal schools, as are the schools in England I assume. In the Middle East it is different. There have been countless articles in papers, on TV, and on the radio about this. These cannot all be false.

And my own personal feelings on Muslims tend to follow the same as my course on everything: So long as your views don't interfere with my own personal space, I have no problem. I can agree with a few stances the religion takes, including the increased modesty of women. Do I espouse vengeance? Come on, that has to be one of the most ludicrous questions I have ever been posed with. The reason for the butchering of the soldiers WAS revenge. Should we then kill those responsible? What, you'd rather they be incarcerated for years, afforded three square meals a day and all the comforts of home? That's a pretty ridiculous stance to take, and it's a bit insulting to the families of these two young men.

And my advice to you is to follow your own advice, not some biased view that you concocted. The truth is out there.

Your talking about exploitation falls on deaf ears, as the leaders of those countries we "exploited" are now the wealthiest people in the world. We exploited them? They exploit us daily.

 

[Tulkas12]

good, BP wasn't responsible our government was. Of course it swings both ways, but to claim we're in the ascendence is entirely ignoring the actions of our political machinations to secure oil. I don't think this thread has much life, the OP is way to biased, and if I may say so, so are you. It is very much a guns blazing argument, and theirs only one way to respond to that sort of provocation both in this thread and in the real world, fight fire with fire, and throw more oil into the mix,they'll respond to this by increasing the hate.

BP was backed by your government. I still don't see an oil play here. In all honesty America could be off of oil in 10 years, the technology is there, just not the willpower, something the west seems to be lacking, and lacking to understand its lack thereof.

I am very biased and so are you good sir, to claim otherwise is ludricrous considering your general responses. As a matter of fect no one here can claim to be unbias. I think you just hope this thread dies. It puts even the evil americans ina a morally high position.

 

[Sidhe]

Sidhe, you failed to read the post you quoted. Muslim schools in the US, for the most part, are the more liberal schools, as are the schools in England I assume. In the Middle East it is different. There have been countless articles in papers, on TV, and on the radio about this. These cannot all be false.

OK no offense but your media is one side of the story, if that's all you have, then it's of little use, yes it is spun out of proportion with the truth, do you believe Bush didn't openly lie about Iraq? Your media did?

Seriously I'm not going to vote against the action in Iraq, but when faced only with one side of the story I prefer my toast buttered on both sides. Anyway 'nother biased thread opened up, until I see something reasoned and based on a more considered approach I'll refrain from discussion, because it's difficult to establish a point based on knee jerk hatred and your own insular view of the world. Honestly no offense but I'll leave it until I see something worthy of discussion on the pro side of this post.

 

[Sidhe]

BP was backed by your government. I still don't see an oil play here. In all honesty America could be off of oil in 10 years, the technology is there, just not the willpower, something the west seems to be lacking, and lacking to understand its lack thereof.

I am very biased and so are you good sir, to claim otherwise is ludricrous considering your general responses. As a matter of fect no one here can claim to be unbias. I think you just hope this thread dies. It puts even the evil americans ina a morally high position.

I'll refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave some moments ago.