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Gainy
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I was meaning Christianity, Buddhism, Sihkism, Hinduism, n' all the main ones. I wasn't aware that there were any religions that supported homosexuality. After all, the bible says its wrong...
Should the USA allow gay/lesbian marriages?
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Zarn
Le Républicain Catholique
I hope so, too. I don't mind homosexual parents, even though I'm the 'bad' guy when it comes to same sex marriage. If you haven't read my previous posts, I would rather same sex couples and atheistic couples get unions instead of marriages.
edit Same sex parents ----> homosexual. It's okay to have one homosexual parent as well, so I needed to edit.
andrewgprv
Second Class Citizen
Which is fine by me...
jack merchant
Internationalist
You might want to read the thread a little further - Dralix quite eloquently explained why marriage isn't necessarily a religious ceremony, and I belaboured the same point a little earlier (page 6 or thereabouts).
Dralix
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I still don't see the need to attach a different label to a same sex marriage than an opposite sex marriage. We already have non religious marriage ceremonies, why should a civil ceremony between same sex couples be any different than that? Or why should it be any different than the fact that the Catholic church won't marry someone who has been divorced but a Lutheran church will?
jack merchant
Internationalist
This just begs for posting the open letter to radio columnist Dr Laura again
An Open Letter to Dr. Laura
Dear Dr. Laura,
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to follow them.
a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?
g) Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?
i) I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev. 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14).
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
Thank you and best regards,
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onejayhawk
Afflicted with reason
Actually you will find arguments on that point. I am inclined to grant your point, but infidelity and promescuity are much more clearly forbidden. This may be because they were more common, or that they were more serious. It is not clear.
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andrewgprv
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The only problem about having Civil Unions for gays rather then marrages is that some religons want to marry gays, and their religous right shouldn't be denied.
I would prefer if Marrage were open to gays but religons have the option to opt out if they'd like. I.E. A liberal Portestant Church may have the right to marry me and my boyfriend but if the catholic church wishes not to they don't have to perform same-sex marrages.
In other words religons should keep the option to discriminate. But the law will not discriminate.
I would prefer if Marrage were open to gays but religons have the option to opt out if they'd like. I.E. A liberal Portestant Church may have the right to marry me and my boyfriend but if the catholic church wishes not to they don't have to perform same-sex marrages.
In other words religons should keep the option to discriminate. But the law will not discriminate.
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Gainy
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I read back, nothing changes my opinion.
Jack
I appreciate alot of the things in the Bible are *cough*, partly because of this i am an atheist.
I said i didnt support Marraige. Marraige is a religious ceremony. The church shouldn't have to marry people of the same sex. It isn't right.
I have nothing against unions though. Im all for em
I think it is unfair that serious Gay couples aren't recignoised by the goverment as being "Married".
Hope that clears things up.
EDIT: as for adoption... I dont think gay couples should be allowed to parent children where i live. I dont know about everywhere else, but the abuse would be horrendous here. I have nothing against it myself, im just thinking of the child(ren).
Jack
I appreciate alot of the things in the Bible are *cough*, partly because of this i am an atheist.I said i didnt support Marraige. Marraige is a religious ceremony. The church shouldn't have to marry people of the same sex. It isn't right.
I have nothing against unions though. Im all for em
I think it is unfair that serious Gay couples aren't recignoised by the goverment as being "Married".Hope that clears things up.
EDIT: as for adoption... I dont think gay couples should be allowed to parent children where i live. I dont know about everywhere else, but the abuse would be horrendous here. I have nothing against it myself, im just thinking of the child(ren).
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Jack, thank you that was very funny.
I don't think anyone in this thread has said that a Church or priest should be forced to marry someone against their will. That would be a pretty weird stance, but I guess there must be someone with that opinion somewhere.
For those of you thinking of the children wrt homosexual adoption, I suggest you all go out and visit some 'wards of the state', I don't know what it is like where you are but in the US there are pretty low standards for foster homes and orphanages. Or even better talk to someone who managed to survive the system.
I don't think anyone in this thread has said that a Church or priest should be forced to marry someone against their will. That would be a pretty weird stance, but I guess there must be someone with that opinion somewhere.
For those of you thinking of the children wrt homosexual adoption, I suggest you all go out and visit some 'wards of the state', I don't know what it is like where you are but in the US there are pretty low standards for foster homes and orphanages. Or even better talk to someone who managed to survive the system.
jack merchant
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Originally posted by Gainy bo
Jack
I said i didnt support Marraige. Marraige is a religious ceremony. The church shouldn't have to marry people of the same sex. It isn't right.
Ah, I understand your position better now
Again, however, marriage isn't necessarily a religious ceremony, although it is just about always a spiritual one. Which is why the same custom of marrying someone developed quite independepently from each other in almost all known cultures.No-one is arguing that churches should be forced to marry people of the same sex. Fortunately, it is already possible to marry someone under civil law only, and the current discussion focuses on extending that right to same-sex couples.
Buddhism? When did the Buddha say, "To reach true enlightenment, you shall not be gay"? Yes, the Bible says it's wrong, but I doubt many other religions do. Maybe I'm wrong. But there are certainly some religions, even sects of Christianity, that approve of homosexuality.
Here's my take on this: If a gay couple wants to get married, they should have the freedom to do so. If they do it in court, it shouldn't be called marriage, just like any other "marriage" without religion involved (or am I mistaken here?). If a gay couple wants to get married in a relgious ceremony, and that church (or substitute word) approves, it should be called marriage, just like a man and woman getting married in that church. Gay couples should not be unable to "unionize" (for lack of a better word) simply because some religions forbid it, and it is especially ******** to deny religions that approve of it from marrying gay couples because other religions disprove of it. And the term (marriage or not) doesn't matter all that much; the only reason I mentioned it is that how it should ideally be, IMO.
Anyone who disagrees with me: I'll probably never get your take on this.
As for adoption, my view has changed a bit. The kid will probably be teased, some locations being worse than others. But that doesn't really matter; poor kids will be teased, but poor parents should be able to have kids. Plus, if that kid is up for adoption, wouldn't loving gay parents be better than many alternatives? A kid that goes up for adoption usually isn't going to be the most fortunate kid in the world anyway.
Sims2789
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this is not true. studies have proven it. even if it is true, so what, there is nothing wrong with being gay, as long as the parents(gay or straight) don't force their kid to be gay(or straight, for that matter).
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GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
I think it depends on the Environment, Persional Choices, or Biological factors. I am not 100% sure on this since I am not a human psycologist major
.Sims2789
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there are many theories. one is a chemical 'imbalence.' however, suggesting that we should give gays pills to make them not gay would be implying that homosexuality is wrong. another theory is that it is caused by overpopulation. i, however, don't think it is either of these two but i think the anwser is similar to the question of, "why are people straight?"
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GenMarshall
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That is a good theory. Though we would not truly know untill we have learned to unlock the secrets of the human brain.
andrewgprv
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Countless things in nature arn't logical. No one knows for sure what makes people gay, my personal oppinon is that it is genetic, and this is what most stuides point towards. For as long as I can remeber I knew I was different then most boys, my parents say the same, and every gay person I know has said the same about themselves.
My father, despite his best efforts, ended up disappointed in my ultimate sexual orientation. I know it is a great shame to him that I did not turn out like him and have chosen a lifestyle that is alternative to his own . . . I am straight . . . and will be proudly attending his commitment ceremony this November to his partner of 10 years. It should be a state sanctioned marriage, but the Church apparently wants to monopolize divorce as a religious institution.
