Should you report Cannibis dealing?

[Farm Boy]

Meh, I'm not going to negotiate with someone who is negating on one of their obligations. I don't have time for stuff like that.

It's their obligation.. after you ask them once and they do nothing, it's on them, not me.

Well, rules is rules. The situation I was thinking of occurred in my early 20s in an off-campus rental. My neighbor didn't like my rusty-ass old pickup truck. Something about making the neighborhood look trashy. My roommate had a vehicle too and in order to park it in back I had to leave a bit of it off pavement. She reported it as a parking violation since part of it was on the grass. I parked the truck on the street directly in front of her house(legal and not ticketable!) every day school was in session for the next year and a half.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Meh, I'm not going to negotiate with someone who is negating on one of their obligations. I don't have time for stuff like that.

It's their obligation.. after you ask them once and they do nothing, it's on them, not me.

This is the problem, you are looking at them as "random obligation reneger," which is unlikely to produce any sort of positive results. I look at my neighbors as people who are within a hundred yards of me while I sleep. It tends to keep my approaches respectful, which makes them far more effective.

There is no evading the truism to have good neighbors one must be neighborly. Showing up to complain every time it snows and at no other time is about as far from neighborly as it gets, so you won't have good neighbors if you do that. Being neighborly is by its nature time consuming, but it alleviates the necessity of calling armed thugs into ordinary day to day encounters, so it's generally worth it.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Well, rules is rules. The situation I was thinking of occurred in my early 20s in an off-campus rental. My neighbor didn't like my rusty-ass old pickup truck. Something about making the neighborhood look trashy. My roommate had a vehicle too and in order to park it in back I had to leave a bit of it off pavement. She reported it as a parking violation since part of it was on the grass. I parked the truck on the street directly in front of her house(legal and not ticketable!) every day school was in session for the next year and a half.

I know a guy who buys junk cars, does the bare minimum to make them legal so they can't be towed, then parks them in front of the nicest house he can find with a for sale sign on them. Move a few feet along the curb every three days (and take verification photos) so the car cannot be reported as abandoned. Generally the car sells to the homeowner for about double what he is into it.

 

[warpus]

This is the problem, you are looking at them as "random obligation reneger," which is unlikely to produce any sort of positive results. I look at my neighbors as people who are within a hundred yards of me while I sleep. It tends to keep my approaches respectful, which makes them far more effective.

I'm just looking at it as a dangerous situation in the neighbourhood that's been created as a result of this person not performing his neighbourly obligation. Of course I treat all my neighbours with respect - I wouldn't just barge into their dining room while they're eating and call them sidewalk killers, I would respectfully and kindly ask them to take care of business. And after that if they don't really care and stick to the status quo.. well, that's on them, not me.

 

[BvBPL]

Well, living in California limits my perspective on snowy sidewalks, of course.

However, I did my time in the frozen north. Took a shortcut across an ice crusted parking lot that belonged to a restaurant every day for six months to catch the bus to my assigned school. Fell a couple times a week, minimum. Wondered how the restaurant (one of the upper end places in the sordid pit that was Idaho Falls) managed to stay in business, or if their snooty clientele was just more nimble than I was.

Never resorted to calling some authority down on their heads, or even the simple thuggery that is my own go to approach when I decide negotiations have broken down to the point of using force.

So instead of walking around the parking lot or getting them to clear their lot you decided to just be a good neighbor resulting in your falling down on iced over tarmac multiple times in a week.

Why would anyone take advice from you?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

So instead of walking around the parking lot or getting them to clear their lot you decided to just be a good neighbor resulting in your falling down on iced over tarmac multiple times in a week.

Why would anyone take advice from you?

They weren't my neighbors, and their lot was a short cut. If I had time I went around, but I usually made a point of not standing on a streetcorner in Idaho Falls waiting for my bus any longer than was absolutely necessary, so I often took the shortcut. The entire town was covered with ice for months on end and falling down was just a fact of life. The reason I bagged it so often in that parking lot was that it was rutted and compacted, so it was not only slick as snot but sort of a wavy surface.

As to getting them to clear their lot, it never actually crossed my mind. Clearing one parking lot would have been an oddity...though I really did think that since they tried to present their place as 'upscale' it would have been a good idea for them.

 

[Zelig]

As I told Zelig, refine your negotiating technique.

So let's say I have autism and am incapable of being an effective negotiator, or I work exclusively graveyard shifts and my neighbours aren't home at the same time as me and available for negotiation.

Why should I ever try in the first place?

This is the problem, you are looking at them as "random obligation reneger," which is unlikely to produce any sort of positive results. I look at my neighbors as people who are within a hundred yards of me while I sleep. It tends to keep my approaches respectful, which makes them far more effective.

I like to run half-marathons in the winter, in that context my neighbors include everyone in my path who don't clear their sidewalks, I don't have time to negotiate with all of them.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

So let's say I have autism and am incapable of being an effective negotiator, or I work exclusively graveyard shifts and my neighbours aren't home at the same time as me and available for negotiation.

Why should I ever try in the first place?



I like to run half-marathons in the winter, in that context my neighbors include everyone in my path who don't clear their sidewalks, I don't have time to negotiate with all of them.

I can whip up hypotheticals to justify being a jerk. I in fact have done so plenty of times. Now a days, if I want to be a jerk I just act like a jerk.

If you want to rat out your neighbors, go ye forth and do so.

 

[MobBoss]

The only thing I am really sure I would report my neighbors for is serial murder. If a person can't find a better way to deal with neighbors being disruptive than calling the cops they need to be a hermit.

For serial murder? What a single murder not enough to call the police over?

 

[Commodore]

I can whip up hypotheticals to justify being a jerk. I in fact have done so plenty of times. Now a days, if I want to be a jerk I just act like a jerk.

If you want to rat out your neighbors, go ye forth and do so.

But if it is the neighbor being disruptive, why is the onus upon me to negotiate with them to change their behavior? Why should I have to beg and plead with them to stop acting like a jackass?

No, if it's gotten to the point where I am so annoyed that I feel something needs to be done, I'd rather just pass it off to an organization or authority that can compel my neighbor to change their behavior without having to demean themselves by begging.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

But if it is the neighbor being disruptive, why is the onus upon me to negotiate with them to change their behavior? Why should I have to beg and plead with them to stop acting like a jackass?

No, if it's gotten to the point where I am so annoyed that I feel something needs to be done, I'd rather just pass it off to an organization or authority that can compel my neighbor to change their behavior without having to demean themselves by begging.

Who suggested begging?

Anyone who thinks that their relationship with their neighbors is so frosted that the only way to get them to do something is beg or call armed thugs into their life needs to step away from the keyboard and go talk to your neighbors instead of strangers on the internet for a while.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

For serial murder? What a single murder not enough to call the police over?

Well, odds of me noticing a single murder I figured were pretty slim, so I said serial.

 

[Commodore]

Who suggested begging?

Anyone who thinks that their relationship with their neighbors is so frosted that the only way to get them to do something is beg or call armed thugs into their life needs to step away from the keyboard and go talk to your neighbors instead of strangers on the internet for a while.

Why the veiled insult toward me?

Anyway, fine I'll use your terminology. Why should I have to negotiate (beg) with my neighbors to convince them to knock off their disruptive behavior? If they are being disruptive I tell them to stop once. No negotiation, no politely asking like some spineless cretin, I just tell them to stop. If they don't then I make their life difficult by making sure they have a nice little run-in with our local "armed thugs" as you like to call them. I mean hell, my tax dollars pay their salary so I might as well put them to work, right?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Why the veiled insult toward me?

Anyway, fine I'll use your terminology. Why should I have to negotiate (beg) with my neighbors to convince them to knock off their disruptive behavior? If they are being disruptive I tell them to stop once. No negotiation, no politely asking like some spineless cretin, I just tell them to stop. If they don't then I make their life difficult by making sure they have a nice little run-in with our local "armed thugs" as you like to call them. I mean hell, my tax dollars pay their salary so I might as well put them to work, right?

If you were insulted I apologize. That was not my intent, veiled or otherwise.

What I said was actually just directed to everyone. Seriously, if you don't get along with your neighbors it is really worth doing something about. I am universally polite to my girlfriend's neighbors, my mom's neighbors, and pretty much everyone, and I promise you none of them interpret that as "spineless cretin". In fact they all pretty much know me as "somewhat reformed thug probably available for hire and certainly willing to do favors."

But the point is that they know me. If I did show up and "just tell them to stop" they most likely would, though I would probably have to explain afterwards because they know I wouldn't issue orders just at random and would be curious. They also know they can count on me not arranging to make their life difficult, so they don't make mine difficult either.

Why would anyone want to be in some sort of 'make life difficult one upmanship game,' which is exactly how that sort of thing always turns out?

 

[Zelig]

I can whip up hypotheticals to justify being a jerk. I in fact have done so plenty of times. Now a days, if I want to be a jerk I just act like a jerk.

If you want to rat out your neighbors, go ye forth and do so.

My neighbours are jerks for not clearing their sidewalks, that's not even a hypothetical.

Anyone who thinks that their relationship with their neighbors is so frosted that the only way to get them to do something is beg or call armed thugs into their life needs to step away from the keyboard and go talk to your neighbors instead of strangers on the internet for a while.

You've failed to address the consequences of neighbors who don't respond to polite requests.

And they don't get "armed thugs", they get a warning from bylaw officers, after which they get billed the cost of clearing their sidewalk if they continue to consider their time too valuable to clear their sidewalks themselves.

Why would anyone want to be in some sort of 'make life difficult one upmanship game,' which is exactly how that sort of thing always turns out?

No, the point of not talking to them is specifically to avoid that, they've got nobody to one-up.

 

[BvBPL]

You've failed to address the consequences of neighbors who don't respond to polite requests.

I feel like I'm dipping my toe in a pool full of sharks. Or at least ill-tempered mutated sea bass, but... I don't think that you get to raise that as a threshold issue if you haven't made any such polite requests first.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

No, the point of not talking to them is specifically to avoid that, they've got nobody to one-up.

This works, assuming you are talking about your hypothetical training route that you hypothetically run while training for your hypothetical half marathons.

If you are talking about actual neighbors I give it very short odds. You see, all those jerks probably aren't like you. They talk among themselves. They'll be checking in with each other in "what the heck did I do to you?" fashion and collecting denials. Eventually through collective thought and process of elimination they will come up with a limited number of neighbors who are sufficiently unknown and potentially despicable enough to be the rat in the woodpile, and once the number is sufficiently limited they will make all of them miserable as best they can.

Congratulations on performing your civic duty and making a better neighborhood for one and all.

 

[Zelig]

I feel like I'm dipping my toe in a pool full of sharks. Or at least ill-tempered mutated sea bass, but... I don't think that you get to raise that as a threshold issue if you haven't made any such polite requests first.

Sure I do - I plan ahead responsibly, I'm not going to make a polite request unless I have a reasonable plan in place to deal with the people who refuse the requests when the only recourse to refused requests is exactly the same procedure I could have done without making the request in the first place.

This works, assuming you are talking about your hypothetical training route that you hypothetically run while training for your hypothetical half marathons.

I actually run 20k fairly regularly, on about a weekly basis, depending on how many sports I'm playing.

If you are talking about actual neighbors I give it very short odds. You see, all those jerks probably aren't like you. They talk among themselves. They'll be checking in with each other in "what the heck did I do to you?" fashion and collecting denials. Eventually through collective thought and process of elimination they will come up with a limited number of neighbors who are sufficiently unknown and potentially despicable enough to be the rat in the woodpile, and once the number is sufficiently limited they will make all of them miserable as best they can.

No, they now clear their sidewalks and don't get anymore bylaw visits, they're not nearly that commited to being jerks.

 

[BvBPL]

Oh my god you paced this post so well. I was just getting to A licky boom boom down in my head as I read it.

Link to video.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

No, they now clear their sidewalks and don't get anymore bylaw visits, they're not nearly that commited to being jerks.

I'm not committed to being a jerk at all...but I'll hunt a rat out of a woodpile if I have to burn the entire woodpile in the process.

Different strokes for different folks.