Sid avarage start

[ThERat]

well, we will have to wait a while for a second settler, hope we can block the japanese...what are they doing that far from their core? funny....


will play tonight, I agree to swap the worker to a settler...our only chance

 

[TheOverseer714]

lurker's comment: They might have popped a hut with a warrior stack and got a settler.

 

[ignas]

That's a bit crowded! Challenge a bit to settle "local" land ASAP.

Red dot looks good, hope we could settle it.

So what's our long term goal? "Normal" sid game trying to win any way can? Trying to own continent with MW's? Just want to make things clear.

 

[ThERat]

Trying to own continent with MW's?

a little ambitious...I think if we can take on a weakling nearby with MW's that would be great. But first off, we need to secure some land

 

[Mumpulus]

The schematic makes it much clearer, thanks. The Japanese probably won't settle on the spot, because they're too close to Salamanca. I doubt they'll turn back, because that would put them too close to NF. My guess is they now want the BG spot south of their current position. I'd leave our warrior where he is, because otherwise the Japanese will probably go for that spot instead.

I would indeed switch NF to a settler now. Red dot will make up for the later worker.

 

[ThERat]

Ok, I played 9 turns and stop here for us to decide what to do.

As you can see in the picture below, we were lucky that Japan did not settle in place with 2 !!! settlers. Now we got our settler in place. However, there are 2 more pairs now in sight (those under the warriors). We have another settler in our capital. Originally I thought of sending him south to grab more land but I think the Japanese will settle there now.

What should we do. Also, what about our research? I kept it at WC at max as we want to grab HBR I assume.

 

[Mumpulus]

I'd not take chances with the second settler and just move it NE. The body of water near Niagara Falls is fresh.

We'll need some exploration. If we're really as hemmed in as seems to be the case, then we'll need some military action soon. HBR is fitting.

 

[ThERat]

I agree with exploration, I used th warriors to block the Japanese so far. The land to the northwest seems empty as well by the way.
the American warrior come from the north

 

[Elear]

I had the vague thought that you could send the current settler in Salamanca to the red dot, then the settler @ the red dot 2S and see if you can't get another city in the fertile south. I'm not looking at the save though, so maybe this is ridiculous. But such a city would seem to be extremely useful in an attack against the Japanese.

If that is infeasible, I agree with the other line of thought: explore and expand in the NE/NW as you can.

Looks like the Japanese are going to be bane of our existence because they seem to have us surrounded on the entire east and south, and we're trapped against the ocean.

At least we have horses.

As for wartime strategy (although I'm getting a little ahead of myself), the first war will probably entire consist of fighting their stacks and taking a city if we can...I think walls will be important to consider, depending on how many cities we can build. My only concern is that we will have so few good cities that every single city will have to work overtime making MW.

 

[I. Larkin]

I'd not take chances with the second settler and just move it NE. The body of water near Niagara Falls is fresh.

We'll need some exploration. If we're really as hemmed in as seems to be the case, then we'll need some military action soon. HBR is fitting.

Yes, I think 3 tiles NE (Ring 4, plain near fresh lake) is the best position to block Spain somehow. I think Warriors may continue dancing around s/w, to slow Japanise expansion. Scouting NW better to do with Chariot, I think. Why worker mine Cow? I thought better to irrigate to have 5 fpt. Will we vote to stop or let it go as it is? I also think that NF may build something else now, not worker. I think we may trade WC ASAP (from Japan, to secure a bit) and start HBR on minimum? Or what?
Ignas up.

 

[ignas]

Someone play before me. I can play just at weekend

 

[Mumpulus]

I got it then, but I don't have time tonight; tomorrow night at the earliest.

My suggestions/replies:
- I wouldn't do the gamble Elear proposes; the Japanese may settle at any time if they find a suitable spot and then we'll have wasted valuable time, the town 2S of red dot will be under cultural pressure anyway and be considered aggressive by the AI.
- I'd continue mining at NF, and get +5fpt at Red Dot instead; with the AI that close, we'll need some heavy production soon.
- For that same reason I agree to switch NF from worker to a unit. I can only see one worker though, so we'll need another sometime soon.
- Agreed on city spot: N-NW-NW of Niagara Falls to put it another way, that should indeed be on the lake.
- Agreed on the chariot for exploring
- I don't know techs by heart, but do we have BW? If not, that should come right after HBR IMO.

I will try to take a look at the save tonight to possibly adjust my suggestions.

 

[I. Larkin]

OK, Mumpulus Up, don't know but probably Roster then
Mumplus,
Elear,
Ignas,
I.Larkin
TheRat
Shall we stop worker mining Cow? Probably we may irrigate it very later on, after Granary.
Red dot will have 7 fpt after irrigation Cow and game.

 

[Mumpulus]

I didn't have time to look at the save (only got home around midnight and went straight to bed). I'll play tonight as planned.

I mentioned earlier, but in between other comments so maybe not sufficiently clearly: I would not stop the worker mining and put Niagara Falls on high production. Red Dot would become the high food town.

 

[I. Larkin]

I would not stop the worker mining and put Niagara Falls on high production. Red Dot would become the high food town.

Yes, I think all agree with that. But, probably we need this worker in NF...
And in RedDot...

 

[ThERat]

The reason I set the worker to mine the cow is due to the fact that I doubt we need a settler farm rather than high production.
I assume we want to swarm japan with MW's

 

[I. Larkin]

The reason I set the worker to mine the cow is due to the fact that I doubt we need a settler farm rather than high production.
I assume we want to swarm japan with MW's

I thought you have an "idea" and it is not a "mistake". BTW, how many Cities before War we want to have? 5? 6? Or more?

 

[TheOverseer714]

lurker's comment: Looks like you will need to fight for leibensraum soon, as the Japanese are already surrounding and crowding you.

 

[Elear]

We'll have what cities we can...really 5 good productive ones is all I can reasonably expect (and all we need to take a dent out of Japan).

 

[I. Larkin]

Got an idea how to slow down Spain/Japan expansion. In between Salamanka and RedDot we just need 4 units. 2 tiles will be with Workers soon, and then they may be replaced by Warriors. At the small Circle is a Valve: It is open when nobody near and close, when Couple come. We have to direct as much Enemies Settlers as possible at Large Blue Circle, they will go there back and forward depending on Valve position...