Ska good? or SKA BAD!!

[Citizen_K]

ska is an american music genre forged on the west coast of America, at precisely the location of california, in somewhat relation to rock, punk, reggae, and english chamber music of the baroquial style.

What think you?

 

[NY Hoya]

Ska originated in Jamaica

I like it, played in a ska band in college for a very brief time.

 

[animepornstar]

old bands like the specials and some of the originals from jamaica were great, but the american wave stinks.

 

[NY Hoya]

Originally posted by animepornstar
old bands like the specials and some of the originals from jamaica were great, but the american wave stinks.

I hope you aren't judging the American wave by No Doubt and the Bosstones

 

[sysyphus]

No Doubt and Might Might Bosstones don't count. It's not ska unless it was made in Britain in the late 70s/ early 80s.

Same goes for all those who would deem Green Day and Offspring to be punk.

 

[sysyphus]

Originally posted by NY Hoya
Ska originated in Jamaica

Not true. Reggae originates in Jamaica, ska originates in Britain.

 

[Immortal]

I enjoy modern ska, RBF and the like

 

[NY Hoya]

Originally posted by sysyphus
Not true. Reggae originates in Jamaica, ska originates in Britain.

Ska was the direct predecessor of Reggae, originating in Jamaican dance halls.


http://web.fccj.org/~ivanhoof/ska/TheBeginning.html

Although not many ska loving kids know it today, the music scene of the 1950s was Rockin. American pop was beginning to influence bands all around the world; America had many very powerful radio stations that carried the music over the waves of the caribbean; to the tiny island roughly 500 miles off the coast of Miami,
Jamaica

In a strict musical sense, Ska is a fusion. It combines a distinct Jamaican mento folk rhythm with R&B. Then the drums come in on the second and fourth beats. This is what carries the blues and swing beats of American music. The guitar then emphasizes the up of the second, third and fourth beats. This is what carries the Mento sound mentioned earlier.

http://www.sonic.net/~raj/disciples/history.html

In 1962, a time when Jamaica was copying the musical style of America, Cecil Bustamente Campbell, later known as Prince Buster, knew that something new was needed. He had his guitarist Jah Jerry emphasize the afterbeat instead of the downbeat. To present day, the afterbeat is esencial to Jamaican syncopation. Ska was born. The soundsystems began recording their own tracks to gain an advantage over the others, not labeling the vinyl so others could not see wht was playing and 'steal' it for their own sound systems. The sound system war escalated to the point that roughfians were sent to compentitor sound system parties to cause problems. These people were know as Dance Hall Crashers. Depsite the primitive mono recording facilities, it was the determination of the Ska enthusiasts which enabled ska to become the first truely commercial Jamaican Music. In fact, the Ska was later named the national dance and music of Jamaica.

http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1101/ska/history.html

Ska was born in Jamaica in the 1960s, and is most familiar to people as the grandfather of reggae. Influenced by Jazz, Swing, R&B, calypso, and traditional Jamaican mento, its upbeat tunes gained great popularity in the West Indies, Great Britain, and in the States. Ska pioneers such as Tommy McCook, Roland Alphonso, and Laurel Aitken led the way in defining Jamaica's first musical export.

I can't find one reference stating that ska originated in Britain. It had more American influence than British.

 

[Citizen_K]

I still don't recognize ska as something slow enough to be like reggae. It's just got too much driving guitar. It's too fast to be too close to reggae.

 

[Xeven the God]

Sysyphus, It is Mighty Mighty Bostones. Spell it correctly please.

Ah, I like The Bostones. American Ska = Good.

 

[Pggar]

I like ska.
I have to say No Doubt isn't a representative band of ska. No Doubt is pop. They are influenced by ska, and they have a few good ska like songs (one or two that I can remember).
It is intesting that a discussion on american ska quality turn into a discussion about the origins of ska and a trashing place to no doubt and the bostones haters.

 

[damunzy]

No Doubt = Punkish, Skaish, Pop-group.
I like MM Bosstones.
Overall I don't get very excited over ska though. I like Gwyen though.

 

[scorch]

from what i i know of ska/reggea/oi/skin, jamacan reggae/ska started up in britan, starting the skinhead movement, (ska jamacans shaved there hair off to get rid of nits/lice).
IT then got more hardcorish and evlolved into oi, (harder punk with protest lyrics) and typical skins then were football hooligans who fought heaps, it wasn't until some skins got involved with some nazi party that skinheadism became racist.


Theres a little history lesson for ya.
Boneheads evolved from jamacans. Stop listening to sublime now.




ANyone here like catch22, LTJ or facefirst? all very good punk-ska bands.

 

[philippe]

no doubt haves good ritmes but gwens voice is terrible...:angry:
and i dont think their THAT good.

 

[Mikoyan]

I like Ska, but i hate bands like No Doubt

 

[animepornstar]

Originally posted by NY Hoya


I hope you aren't judging the American wave by No Doubt and the Bosstones

smash mouth is another disgusting band. i´ve heard a few more american ska bands but have nerver like it. listen to the skatalites and derrick morgan instead.

 

[NY Hoya]

Originally posted by animepornstar
smash mouth is another disgusting band. i´ve heard a few more american ska bands but have nerver like it. listen to the skatalites and derrick morgan instead.

Ugghhh, Smash Mouth is another crap "ska" band. I think there are actually a couple of different genres within third wave ska in the U.S. Bands like No Doubt and Smash Mouth are more pop bands with some ska influence. The Bosstones are a little closer to the real thing, but with some pop influence. If you can, try to find some Pietasters. They were a great band in the Washington, DC area when I was in college there.

 

[amadeus]

I don't even know what "ska" is.

 

[philippe]

read the beginning rmsharpe it stands there the definition

 

[animepornstar]

Originally posted by rmsharpe
I don't even know what "ska" is.

i think "fast reggae" is the best description.