Skullduggery Thread for Demohacking

[Majic]

Do you get points for national wonders? I might be that.

 

[2metraninja]

Do you get points for national wonders? I might be that.

Yes, you do get the same 16 points for every wonder, being it national or world.

 

[2metraninja]

I tried searching the whole thread and half the FastWorker, but could not find on which date RB got their GP. Can someone help?

 

[2metraninja]

Found it in the APT mod site. t83 was their GP.

 

[2metraninja]

So if they ran pure GS pool somewhere non-stop, they will get a GS in 2 turn at t117.

 

[YossarianLives]

CP is piling all their EP's against RB. At 329 to 32, I wonder if they have city visibility yet...

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Also, I saw that Horse Feathers completed Moai Statues on T115, so that's what all those hammers went into there.

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And since I was zooming in on the cities, I decided to take a look for their SoZ. I wasn't sure if we had already located it, but it's right on their border with CP.

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[YossarianLives]

So if they ran pure GS pool somewhere non-stop, they will get a GS in 2 turn at t117.

Well, RB got their next Great Person this turn, but it was another Great Prophet, not a GS! Since they have already built the Hindu shrine, I think it's safe to assume that this one will trigger their first Golden Age.

Regarding the question you asked about CivFr capturing a size 2+ barb city, I am pretty sure that hasn't happened. All their mid-turn score increases have been for 1 pop, for settling new cities.

 

[YossarianLives]

And right on cue, RB's Golden Age started this turn. They used the first turn to switch to Bureau, Caste and Pacifism. The positive side is that they're not building up to take out WPC or the Germans. The bad news is they're going to use that tremendous food surplus 2metra mentioned recently to run a bunch of specialists and pop a few more GP's.

 

[YossarianLives]

So RB's MFG has now skyrocketed during their Golden Age. We're hoping to be able to steal Taj out from under them, and to help this effort Maga (and maybe SilentConfusion?) will track their production numbers in all their visible cities. We actually have uncovered most of their cities at this point. Here are the numbers for T122

And confirmation that their EP spending against us hasn't changed.

 

[Maga_R]

We should keep an eye on Adventure One, Mansa's Muse and Gourmet Menu:

Realms Beyond production, turn 122:

Adventure One 124
Mansa's Muse 120
Focal Point 37
Horse Feathers 70
Gourmet Menu 123
tree Huggers 35
7Tribes 15
ForbiddenFruit 80
Eastern Dealers 24
Brick by Brick 21
The Covenant 0
Starfall 10
Ditchdigger N/A
Simple Life 40
Cutting Edge 14
French Riviera N/A

 

[YossarianLives]

Awesome Maga, thanks so much for those calculations. Here are the raw numbers from T123.

And the confirmation that EP ratios haven't changed.

 

[Maga_R]

Highlights: Wonder Alert for Mansa's Muse and Gourmet Menu. I bet that Adventure One completed a 120 improvement turn 122 (that is, if 2metra wants to bet they are whipping into a wonder )

Realms Beyond production, turn 123:

Adventure One 0
Mansa's Muse 134
Focal Point 0
Horse Feathers 97
Gourmet Menu 144
Tree Huggers 43
7Tribes 24
ForbiddenFruit 88
Eastern Dealers 26
Brick by Brick 34
The Covenant 11
Starfall 0
Ditchdigger N/A
Simple Life 45
Cutting Edge 0
French Riviera N/A

 

[Maga_R]

Awesome Maga, thanks so much for those calculations. Here are the raw numbers from T123.

And the confirmation that EP ratios haven't changed.

Yossarian, thank you for your kind words, it is much easier to do demohacking when you are gathering all the input info

Can you please verify what should be Mansa's Muse and Gourmet Menu production without resource bonuses? I am suspecting they are getting half the price in both, but this is based on earlier demohacking:

Mansa's Muse: currently 14 per turn (previously 7? per turn)
Gourmet Menu: currently 21 per turn (previously 12? per turn)

 

[2metraninja]

Now I believe those increases are because of the added hammer in GA and not because building with resource.

 

[Maga_R]

Oh, you are right, I completely forgot about their golden age

That means there are building a non-resource wonder - or one for which they are lacking resource (eg marble). Or do they have any 150 buildings available?

 

[2metraninja]

There is the possibility that RB are building markets in GM and MM (150 hammers). Tiny hope, but still

turn 122:Horse Feathers 70

turn 123: Horse Feathers 97

This might be another candidate for TGLH. The city have LH and is making 27 hpt. With this temp in 4-5 turns it can be at 200 hammers which is TGLH.

 

[Maga_R]

There is the possibility that RB are building markets in GM and MM (150 hammers). Tiny hope, but still



This might be another candidate for TGLH. The city have LH and is making 27 hpt. With this temp in 4-5 turns it can be at 200 hammers which is TGLH.

Oh, I somehow thought market is 120 Market may not be so unlikely. Great Lighthouse is difficult to tell as there is no resource bonus, the only thing we can use is a presence of a lighthouse. If they are building a wonder, the giveaway might be also erratic pattern of per turn if they are chopping or whipping.

 

[YossarianLives]

I missed my chance to grab the raw numbers from T124, so here they are for T125.

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And confirmation that RB isn't spending EP's on us.

 

[2metraninja]

Yeah, will be really interested to see hammers from the the coastal cities with lighthouses. We might still have chance to get that. Will be great for us.

 

[YossarianLives]

Keeping a close eye on RB:

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City growth during the last ten turns:

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Buildings in each city (Every city starts with a free Obelisk that I won't list)

A1 - Granary, Library, Palace
MM - Granary, Library, Kashi Vishwanath, Stonehenge, Market
FP - Granary, Barracks, Shwadegan Paya, Theater
HF -Granary, Barracks, Lighthouse, Moai Statues
GM - Granary, Library, Lighthouse
TH - Granary, Library, Theater
7T - Granary, Library, Aqueduct, Hanging Gardens
FF - Granary, Library
ED - Granary, Lighthouse
BbB - Granary, Barracks, Statue of Zeus, Theater
Cov - Granary
Sf - Granary, Library, Theater
Dd - ??? (probably settled northwest of BbB)
SL - Granary
CE - Granary, Library, Theater
FR - ??? (probably settled south of FP)

There are a few different Wonder options they could be working on. They are at most 1 theater away from Globe. Most likely they already have that in Ditchdigger, so it could be in construction now. If they don't have it in Dd, then we can bet on them putting a Theater in one of their border cities with us. Another possible Wonder is Sistine Chapel, which has Marble as a doubler. And of course, the National Epic and Heroic Epic are possibilities.