PPQ_Purple
Purple Cube
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You can sell what ever you want. Don't mean people with half a brain will buy it. And a provision with GPL is that the first person that does buy it can just put it up for free download at his leisure legally.You know you can sell GPLed code, right? It's just that once you sell it, the buyer has the same rights you do. So you might want to sell that code for $1 million or something. I don't know how often anyone has done this, or at what scale. But the idea of a big up front price for the code, such as with crowdfunding, is compatible with the GPL. A specific example I can think of where something like this actually happened, is Blender. Enough money was raised for the company that had made Blender, that they were willing to release it GPL. And now it has remained the one true 3D modeling and animation program of the Free Software ecosystem.
And that's fine for them. But I am a programmer. My business model is not like that. And therefore I hate it.That is entirely the point. It suits their business model, to make money on hardware, not software. They are not unique in this: Apple is also selling hardware, much moreso than software. Google sells advertizing, and is perfectly willing to undermine anyone who sells hardware or software. These strategic, macroeconomic business models are all dukeing it out now, for global dominance.
This is not difficult to understand.
I'll boil it down to simple bullet points:Your thought process isn't clear here. The GPL requires code to be open and modifiable. This is why various commercial endeavors won't use it, because it's not possible for them to make money with people freely copying the code. What if every game developer were required, in practice, to run a server and sell their game as a "software service", the way Richard M. Stallman thinks the world is supposed to work? Well that would make the barriers of entry way too high for the lone wolf indie, he or she would never survive in such a world. RMS, unwittingly or not, is saying if you don't have some big corporate team and a pile of capital to do all kinds of online support for services, you can go fudge yourself. Well fudge him. I appreciate what he's tried to do for software, but the history I've read is he's also an ass, with strong opinions about how things "should be" that don't hold water in the real world. Just talk to the XEmacs crowd about the guy, that was one of the big famous code forks.
1. I am a programmer. I make software and sell them for money. Well, my employer sells them but you get the idea.
2. Open source is a great tool for me to acomplish #1. It's free work someone else has done to make my life easier.
3. GPL is different. I can't make a product and sell it using GPL code because people will just pirate it legally.
Conclusion: GPL is bad because it takes a good thing (open source software) and makes it useless for me.
But that's because Linux is honestly a dead end product anyway."Who gets the power" is not as straightforward as you claim. Consider the developer energy put into various BSD Unix distributions, for instance. They don't have even remotely the critical mass of Linux distros, despite being "correctly" licensed in our view. This is because of the reality of what constraints do or don't cause people to do. The GPL conditions programming labor in certain ways. It conditions corporate contracts in certain ways. The ecosystem of Linux is objectively more successful than that of BSD.
Really, the key to having a good open source project is for it to be something a lot of people and in particular business customers will use. Because you want those people and especially businesses investing their spare time and money into improving your product for you.
As such an OS is literally the worst thing you can do as an open source project. It won't appeal to the casual user who prefers to pirate the polished and functional proper ones. And it won't appeal to the business user who prefers to have something that comes with proper manuals and technical support.
Which is where my self centered programmer narrative comes in. The people who love, defend and prolifically use GPL are the software equivalent of the sort of self righteous people we see on social media. People drooling over ideals to stroke their own ego.Yet, Linux sucks as a consumer OS. That ecosystem the GPL creates, has negative effects as well. They can't agree on anything! They dither endlessly about principles, and do nothing that profit oriented hardware providers want to hear about. Linus Torvaldis famously gave NVIDIA the middle finger a number of years ago. I don't know if that's gotten better, I haven't been checking lately. But there are these big battles about "how to do reality" where Linux is a big loser. Clearly, GPL ideology gets in the way of some kinds of endeavors.
I respect you for lasting that long. My look at linux lasted for about as long as it takes to say NOPE.A lot of Linux is, culturally, wires and loose ends hanging out all over the place. It attracts techies who like that, who want to scrounge around in the muck. They think it's fun, they think it's all toys and amusing. They feel special understanding all this muck that other people don't understand. They usually have the industrial design sensibilities of a complete turd. They wouldn't last a day at Apple. These are generalizations, but broadly, they're true. I did 3 years of Linux recently, and I am a "hardcore" tech guy. I came to realize just how different my design sensibilities are from most of them. Most of those people are fully ok with things being crap.
I am not sure if I should take your post to mean that 10 pages is a lot or little. Because it can be both depending on the subject and I am not sure where you stand. I most definitively had to both do very long reports on complex subjects and very short ones to sum things up. And I am a software engineer by education.Strategically, I think it has a lot to do with Computer Science / Engineering people who didn't learn how to bang out 10 page papers back in college, the way we Liberal Arts types did. When people don't know how to communicate, it shows in their work.
And whilst there are definitively those in my trade inept at communication it's not for lack of trying on part of educational institutions. At least not in my experience.
Do not confuse synergy with necessity.Find me any example of a regime in real human history, that was a police state, without also being fundamentalist and intolerant of other ideologies. I'm not talking about Christian fundamentalists, I mean the general pattern of fundamentalist approach to ideology, writ large. The Nazis were obviously fundamentalists for instance. They make up a whole Germanic religion and mythos, and insisted that Jews etc. all had to die.
Ideological fundamentalism goes great with a pyramid shaped society because it helps keep the people in line. But that does not mean they require one another. You can have ideologically fanatical anarchists and conversely you can easily have a society where an omnipotent dictator uses his militarized police to oppress his people without ever bothering to set up a cult or ideology of any kind to aid that. It's just that using them makes things so much easier that it's the obvious logical thing everyone does by giving you a carrot to go along with the stick.
I am not really sure how to respond to that. I newer really saw Yang as a Mao equivalent. He always struck me as more of a traditional ascetic philosopher taken to its frighting extreme. As in, the sort of people who preached that if a loved one dies you should just decide not to be sad.You might think that, and unless I'd read a biography of Mao Tse-Tung, I'd agree with you. But I came to realize, with Mao at least, it was all bullfeathers. He totally gaslit everyone. Everything he said was for others to believe, not for him to do.
So whilst he obviously does not live as a faceless mindless hive member it would be extremely hard for me to picture Yang living a life of luxury or behaving deeply opposite to what he preaches.
I always took that quote to be referring to the entire industrial economy as opposed to the monetary one. After all it is on the Industrial Economics tech.No, he's just got a writer trying to make him sound impressive. There's no substance to this claim that "incrementalism can't work" at all. There is always an economic system, it's whatever people are exchanging as they interact with each other. Could be sex for a pack of cigarettes, not having much supply of those post-crash.
As in, he is talking about establishing entire sectors of industry top to bottom at once, from the mine to the refinery to the factory that makes the tools to make the machines to assemble the robots that construct the flying cars. And that requires a high degree of understanding of all those fields as well as the economic forces behind all that.
Than again, I always held and still hold that the faction leaders are all basically superhuman. Like, they are the top 1% of capable and intelligent people else they simply could not have lead their people to survival on planet.
Well obviously. I mean he is a capitalist. But it takes some conviction in both your world view and your capabilities to be willing to take the once in a lifetime opportunity that comes with ruling a nation and risk it all on the dice roll that is free market capitalism.He's given a groovy line to characterize him as an "industrialist". That's not wrong, as a matter of character. But as a matter of simulation, it's a lie. Morgan's whole world view is a lie. It is entirely self-serving so he can pursue wealth the way he wants to. There are 6 factions with other ideas about how to organize everything. Do you think Spartans won't manufacture rifles?
Newer heard of it to be honest.Yeah, lot of lessons learned on my part about how not to write a game for modding. Caviar 3D format, ugh!
Also, comic sans. Hope you don't mind.