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There is probably no need to go so complicated as the space maps are relative simple. There are just horzontal rows of tiles "north" of the earth that represent ever increasing space regions - moon, mars, outer planets, outer rim, milky way and so on. In general you can reduce the width of many of these as e.g. the moon is pretty large (symbolyzed in a 80x5 area (no real numbers!)which could be reduced to 60x5). It is more critical with the smaller objects and also with a few resources. You need to have a minimum number of those as the gameplays needs you to build something like 3 stations on Mars to proceed in the game and so Mars must have enough space therefore. Unfortunately I don't know exactly what is needed there. Anyway, that's why I wouldn't go for 48x32, that would give a really long narrow map that needs a totally redesign that at best looks very strange and at worst cannot include everything you need and also has some distances in between (you don't want the star "cities" grow into a totally different region). And I also think that someone who plays such a small map wants a quick game and probably never reaches the "space time" anyway.
That leaves us with 96x64, 84x56 and 72x48. The available space areas are 96x136, 84x144 and 72x152, we have already have 108x128 and 124x144. As far as I remember was the 124x144 the original which was truncated both horizontally and vertically to produce the smaller one. So I would start from 124x144 and make 96x136, 84x144 and 72x144 out of it by removing parts of the map (height needs to be changed only with one map). It is probably doable even if things will become quite tight with the smallest map. But in the end it is probably best to be done by hand either in WorldBuilder (I need to learn how to do it) or even in Notepad++ (at least defining the map size and taking out rows of tiles isn't too complicated even more me).
There is probably no need to go so complicated as the space maps are relative simple. There are just horzontal rows of tiles "north" of the earth that represent ever increasing space regions - moon, mars, outer planets, outer rim, milky way and so on. In general you can reduce the width of many of these as e.g. the moon is pretty large (symbolyzed in a 80x5 area (no real numbers!)which could be reduced to 60x5). It is more critical with the smaller objects and also with a few resources. You need to have a minimum number of those as the gameplays needs you to build something like 3 stations on Mars to proceed in the game and so Mars must have enough space therefore. Unfortunately I don't know exactly what is needed there. Anyway, that's why I wouldn't go for 48x32, that would give a really long narrow map that needs a totally redesign that at best looks very strange and at worst cannot include everything you need and also has some distances in between (you don't want the star "cities" grow into a totally different region). And I also think that someone who plays such a small map wants a quick game and probably never reaches the "space time" anyway.
That leaves us with 96x64, 84x56 and 72x48. The available space areas are 96x136, 84x144 and 72x152, we have already have 108x128 and 124x144. As far as I remember was the 124x144 the original which was truncated both horizontally and vertically to produce the smaller one. So I would start from 124x144 and make 96x136, 84x144 and 72x144 out of it by removing parts of the map (height needs to be changed only with one map). It is probably doable even if things will become quite tight with the smallest map. But in the end it is probably best to be done by hand either in WorldBuilder (I need to learn how to do it) or even in Notepad++ (at least defining the map size and taking out rows of tiles isn't too complicated even more me).
Thanks!
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I do have indeed more stuff only on my comp for C2C, some are totally personnal subjective tweaks of no commit use; but I think some also might interest some people (more buildings filters and sorting on top of my head).
As said I'm going away for 5 days so I'll check the invite when I come back. Thanks again.
I see. Since I'm going away, in the meantime if you (or anyone) want to play with WB before I improve the script, you can at least define your zones/source map easily for the current copypaste routine by modifying it.
For this first quick thing I did just put hard constant in code that you can change locally. Of course they are temporary and will be replaced by autodetect later, but still.
Maybe you already found them but just in case, here are what you might want to change from the zip I posted earlier:
in \Python\Screens\Worldbuilder\WorldBuilder.py line 1570-1571 :
outputFileName = "Last_ExportMapWithSpace"
spaceMapName = "Space Map - Snofru Standard10_V6"
in \Python\pyWB\CvWBDesc.py line 1850 and below:
spaceMapTotalWidth = 124
spaceMapTotalHeight = 200
spaceStartHeight = 58
(...)
locDir = os.getcwd()+"\\Mods\\Caveman2Cosmos\\PrivateMaps\\" # TODO : when not on windows
So you can for example add the polar tiles easily by just changing spaceStartHeight to a smaller number (56 in that case I suppose) so they get copied too (just don't have a total height above max after the copy paste output, or you'll have to remove stuff with notepad++ afterwards).
Or simply use a different map. It's just a copy-paste machine at this point
See you guys!
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Somehow I have overlooked the big maps, so the missing spacemaps do contain these sizes of the earth part:
Duel: 48x32
Tiny: 72x48
Small: 84x56
Standard: 96x64
Huge: 120x80
Giant: 132x88
Gigantic: 144x96
I have spent some time on how to convert the current spacemaps to these sizes and I have to admit I have given up. This would take me too many hours. I had hoped that there would be some kind of copy/paste in worldbuilder but there is not. The maps need some redesign as there is either not enough enough space in height or width and for my very basic knowledge in modding this would take too much of my time. And I think having the large maps available is already a great thing.
Duel: 48x32
Tiny: 72x48
Small: 84x56
Standard: 96x64
Huge: 120x80
Giant: 132x88
Gigantic: 144x96
I have spent some time on how to convert the current spacemaps to these sizes and I have to admit I have given up. This would take me too many hours. I had hoped that there would be some kind of copy/paste in worldbuilder but there is not. The maps need some redesign as there is either not enough enough space in height or width and for my very basic knowledge in modding this would take too much of my time. And I think having the large maps available is already a great thing.
I'm not sure I will have time to get back on that now (irl). But if I do, I will!
Question: is it possible to use these maps with later era starts? Whenever I load them up in a custom scenario it doesn't give me a choice of era. Are there any changes I would need to make to the maps? Thanks.
PS I know later era starts are unbalanced/broken, but I like trying out the advanced units and buildings without having to play through all the way from prehistory. It's also a nice challenge playing against super-advanced barbarian hordes.
It is impossible to start in later era in scenario.
Same with vanilla Civ IV.
thanks
My suggestion is to simplify the creation of a space map.
1) Go to the place where the mod is installed. In the PrivateMaps folder we find the file C2C_World.py , open it and change the value of WorldSizeTypes.WORLDSIZE_HUGE to (31, 14)
2) Creating a game with Map C2C_World.py , Size: Huge
3) Open the World Builder and save the map
4) In the attached script, set the value, the path to the files -
file1, this is a map saved in World Builder;
file2, this is a Standard Snofru Map;
file3, this is the file where the result of combining the maps will be placed
5) Run the script
1) Go to the place where the mod is installed. In the PrivateMaps folder we find the file C2C_World.py , open it and change the value of WorldSizeTypes.WORLDSIZE_HUGE to (31, 14)
2) Creating a game with Map C2C_World.py , Size: Huge
3) Open the World Builder and save the map
4) In the attached script, set the value, the path to the files -
file1, this is a map saved in World Builder;
file2, this is a Standard Snofru Map;
file3, this is the file where the result of combining the maps will be placed
5) Run the script
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Thanks a lot, @imprus , I was always hoping that a script could solve this. Unfortunately all I get is a file that is way too small and ends at plot x=0, y=20. Surely I am doing something wrong, please give me some assist!
What I did:
1) 2) 3) as you described it. I get a Worldbuilder map in size 124x56.
4) I changed the script to:
file1: the location and name of the Worldbuilder map created in 3)
file2: I chose the space map that comes with the game in PublicMaps, "SM - Snofru Standard11_V5.CivBeyondSwordWBSave"
file3: location and name of the map that is to be created;
To simplify things I have copied all the files to D:\
5) Running the script does produce a file with the correct name in the right place but it is way too small and cannot be used as a map
What I did:
1) 2) 3) as you described it. I get a Worldbuilder map in size 124x56.
4) I changed the script to:
file1: the location and name of the Worldbuilder map created in 3)
file2: I chose the space map that comes with the game in PublicMaps, "SM - Snofru Standard11_V5.CivBeyondSwordWBSave"
file3: location and name of the map that is to be created;
To simplify things I have copied all the files to D:\
5) Running the script does produce a file with the correct name in the right place but it is way too small and cannot be used as a map
Thank you again @imprus !
Now it works - nearly. The created map gives a crash to desktop when I try it in C2C. Looking for a while through the map code I found the culprit: There is some code between the plot files that shouldn't be there, as can be seen in the extract below after "EndPlotta".
I removed the superfluous code and now it works
! Maybe you can change your script to avoid this.
Added later: Strangely enough this is not in the map you have created, only when I did it. Maybe my error. Investigating...
Added even later: I tried repeated times and I always get the code as quoted above. I have no idea what I do differently to you. But at least it is very easy to correct the error.
Now it works - nearly. The created map gives a crash to desktop when I try it in C2C. Looking for a while through the map code I found the culprit: There is some code between the plot files that shouldn't be there, as can be seen in the extract below after "EndPlotta".
Code:
BeginPlot
x=123, y=54
FeatureType=FEATURE_ICE, FeatureVariety=0
TerrainType=TERRAIN_OCEAN_POLAR
PlotType=3
EndPlot
BeginPlot
x=123, y=55
FeatureType=FEATURE_ICE, FeatureVariety=0
TerrainType=TERRAIN_OCEAN_POLAR
PlotType=3
EndPlotta
Version=C2C_2
Description=undescribed
ModPath=Mods\Caveman2Cosmos
EndMeta
BeginMap
grid width=124
grid height=200
top latitude=85
bottom latitude=-14
wrap X=1
world size=WORLDSIZE_HUGE
climate=CLIMATE_TEMPERATE
sealevel=SEALEVEL_LOW
Randomize Resources=0
EndMap
BeginPlot
x=123, y=56
FeatureType=FEATURE_ICE, FeatureVariety=0
TerrainType=TERRAIN_OCEAN_POLAR
PlotType=3
EndPlot
BeginPlot
x=123, y=57
FeatureType=FEATURE_ICE, FeatureVariety=0
TerrainType=TERRAIN_OCEAN_POLAR
PlotType=3
EndPlotI removed the superfluous code and now it works
! Maybe you can change your script to avoid this.Added later: Strangely enough this is not in the map you have created, only when I did it. Maybe my error. Investigating...
Added even later: I tried repeated times and I always get the code as quoted above. I have no idea what I do differently to you. But at least it is very easy to correct the error.
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I didn't understand what the problem was with "EndPlotta". I can't repeat it.
But I noticed that I missed deleting the information of the BeginUnit - EndUnit part and the TeamReveal parameter.
I fixed it.
Added the output of three files: processing.txt - edited Earth file, WBlist.txt - Earth Plot list, spacelist.txt - Space Plot list.
Perhaps if the problem with "EndPlotta" repeats, you could show them to me, maybe something will clear up.
But I noticed that I missed deleting the information of the BeginUnit - EndUnit part and the TeamReveal parameter.
I fixed it.
Added the output of three files: processing.txt - edited Earth file, WBlist.txt - Earth Plot list, spacelist.txt - Space Plot list.
Perhaps if the problem with "EndPlotta" repeats, you could show them to me, maybe something will clear up.
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I kinda don't see the appeal, if the SPACE part is unaltered.
Sure, it's very much End Game stuff anyways, but why make it a "separate" Space Map in the first place, if the only difference is NOT in Space?
- The game happens >90% on the earth part.
- The space area is kind of boring anyway and that won't really change if you alter it.
- I don't have the expertise to quickly change maps. And I don't have the time/motivation to spend hours on this.
- We could change the name to "map with space" ...
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1. Precisely. This has nothing to do with SPACE in the first place. It's just another Random EARTH Map, lol.
- The game happens >90% on the earth part.
- The space area is kind of boring anyway and that won't really change if you alter it.
- I don't have the expertise to quickly change maps. And I don't have the time/motivation to spend hours on this.
- We could change the name to "map with space"
2. Only adds to my point.
3. I wasn't complaining or asking you to do anything, just wondering why you made them to begin with.
4. Not my point. I'm totally for map randomness, it's just that this seems like missing the point of WHAT is actually randomized.
