So, the European Parliament is not going to approve the new commission...

[insurgent]

... what's your take on this?

It seems that the Liberals are going to say no.

Personally, I find it ridiculous that the opposition to Barroso would react in that way to this. After all, Buttiglione basically said that he didn't consider homosexuality a crime, and therefore that his personal opinion of homosexuals wouldn't affect his work or policies. The intolerance of the left wing seems to know no limits...

 

[joacqin]

The problem isnt really the man himself even if he is unsavory, it is the post he will have. He will be in charge of equality and immigration and such iirc. Putting someone in charge of immigration who wants to build camps in north Africa for refugees seems rather scary to me. I dont think they will reject the commission though, I doubt they will get a majority for it.

 

[Mr. Do]

This guy's post will be justice minister. If he can't convince us that his distaste towards gays, single mothers and immigrants won't affect his job, then he doesn't deserve the support. Whether or not the entire commision shouldn't be refused is a tricky decision, however.

 

[insurgent]

Well, they can't choose just to reject just the justice commissioner without dismissing the entire Barroso Commision, can they?

 

[insurgent]

But there is now a clear majority against Barroso's commission with the Liberals having decide to oppose him.

 

[jack merchant]

... what's your take on this?

It seems that the Liberals are going to say no.

(...) The intolerance of the left wing seems to know no limits...

This is Europe, not America. You can't blame the 'left wing' when the Liberals say no !

 

[insurgent]

You're right. But the left wing says no as well, right? The Liberal group is much smaller then the Socialist ones.

 

[kronic]

This is the best news from the EU for a while.

Didn't he say that homosexuality was a sin and now he vows he will of course protect the gay rights? Yeah, truly convincing.

More power to the parliament. A veto against the commission would be the first step. Though, let's wait if they really will veto.

 

[Marla_Singer]

Well, we always complain (and we are right) about the lack of Democracy of the European Institutions, and now that we have finally a European Parliament, elected by the people, which desapproves the commission, which is appointed, we would be supposed to deplore it ?

If that comes from the Parliament, then I have nothing to say about it.

 

[basta72]

People like Rocco Buttiglione shouldn’t belong to the future of Europe, whatever the cost. If it means that the whole commission has to go, so be it.

However, maybe issues like this one could be handled with less hassle in the future.

 

[AVN]

People like Rocco Buttiglione shouldn’t belong to the future of Europe, whatever the cost. If it means that the whole commission has to go, so be it.

I agree with you on this.

However, maybe issues like this one could be handled with less hassle in the future.

Maybe the European Parliament should be given the power to vote against one commissioner instead of having to vote against the whole commission when they have problems with one or two commissioners ?

 

[stormbind]

I think it's ridiculous that Parliament has no power. Democracy requires that Parliament rule the EU, not the Commission.

 

[Marla_Singer]

I think it's ridiculous that Parliament has no power. Democracy requires that Parliament rule the EU, not the Commission.

True. I completely agree with you on this.

That's why I think it's not so bad that for once the European Parliament will have really an influence in the EU. Even if it's limited of course to a reject, it's getting in the right direction in my opinion.

 

[samildanach]

I'm against this guy for one of the same reasons I don't particularly respect Kerry. He is putting his political career before his beliefs. Kerry is politically pro-choice but he is personally pro-life. This Roco? guy thinks homos are sinners but will defend their right to sin, as he sees it, when he is the justice minister.
People who take half -baked stands on issues are not fit for positions of responsibilty. I believe X because it is politically expedient but I actually believe Y. He clearly lacks the functional intelligence to do the job and lacks the necessary character.

 

[Marla_Singer]

I'm against this guy for one of the same reasons I don't particularly respect Kerry. He is putting his political career before his beliefs. Kerry is politically pro-choice but he is personally pro-life.

Actually, I have the impression it's rather the opposite. Kerry is pro-choice but doesn't want to lose the catholic vote more than he has already and as such he pretends to be a pro-life... but won't do anything against abortion if elected.

 

[AceChilla]

People like Rocco Buttiglione shouldn’t belong to the future of Europe, whatever the cost. If it means that the whole commission has to go, so be it.

However, maybe issues like this one could be handled with less hassle in the future.

Why not exactly? Because he has real principles which are inspired by his faith? Are we going to ban strong believing Christians from the European commision, because they don't fit Western Europe's liberal outlook on the world?

Maybe he has to swear he doesn't believe in the bible to get in the comission maybe that would make the parlement happy. I think it's a little strange.

 

[samildanach]

Actually, I have the impression it's rather the opposite. Kerry is pro-choice but doesn't want to lose the catholic vote more than he has already and as such he pretends to be a pro-life... but won't do anything against abortion if elected.

If that is the case then he is liar...and he is lying to them on something a lot of them feel strongly about. Has Kerry said that he was pro-choice while speaking as individual earlier in his career? During the second debate he said he was pro-life personally.

 

[basta72]

Why not exactly? Because he has real principles which are inspired by his faith? Are we going to ban strong believing Christians from the European commision, because they don't fit Western Europe's liberal outlook on the world?

Because he represents views that doesn’t match the idea of the European Union. He represents an intolerant, undemocratic and old-fashioned point of view.

I’m not saying that people like him should be banned from working in the EU, of course not. I’m just saying that it is the right thing to do, fighting against people like him from gaining any influence whatsoever. Because of the reasons I listed above.

Maybe he has to swear he doesn't believe in the bible to get in the comission maybe that would make the parlement happy. I think it's a little strange.

I haven’t heard anything about this. If it’s true then it is indeed strange. But I don’t think it’s the case. It is not that he believes in the bible that is the problem.

 

[Marla_Singer]

Why not exactly? Because he has real principles which are inspired by his faith? Are we going to ban strong believing Christians from the European commision, because they don't fit Western Europe's liberal outlook on the world?

Maybe he has to swear he doesn't believe in the bible to get in the comission maybe that would make the parlement happy. I think it's a little strange.

The commission is supposed to be responsible in front of the EU Parliament. IF the EU Parliament's majority disagree with the commission, I hardly see why it would have to accept it.

That's how it works in the Netherlands right ?

 

[AceChilla]

Because he represents views that doesn’t match the idea of the European Union. He represents an intolerant, undemocratic and old-fashioned point of view.

I’m not saying that people like him should be banned from working in the EU, of course not. I’m just saying that it is the right thing to do, fighting against people like him from gaining any influence whatsoever. Because of the reasons I listed above.

I actually think the European parlement is intolerant because they cannot accept the personal faith of this man.

So the European parlement is going to decide from now on what's acceptable to think and what is not, what is old fashioned and what not. Can't a man have his own faith without the parlement having to judge it?

The European liberals seem to have forgot the meaning of the world liberty. The freedom to have your own faith.

The question shoudl be can this man do a good job. And up untill now this dude has been a very good politician and is certainly capable of doing this jobeven with his faith. But that's not something this parlement looks at. They dump him because of a first impression.

A man being charged for Fraud and corruption can become head of the central European bank. But a guy who has a strong Christian faith cannot get into the commision. Do you get that?

I haven’t heard anything about this. If it’s true then it is indeed strange. But I don’t think it’s the case. It is not that he believes in the bible that is the problem.

No they are not actually want someone to do this. It was an exegeration from my part.

But they do actually ask this man to renounce his faith. The bible says homosexuality is a sin, but this man is not allowed to publically say he actually believes in that. They ask him to renounce the bible and accept the believe of modern days European liberals.

Thought control that's what it is.

And the funny thing is this man could have just lied and told them what they wanted to hear. But he didn't, because he actually has principles unlike many other European parlement members who know how to milk as much money as they can out of their job.