So whats is really wrong with standardized tests?

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I'm mainly talking about the SAT and PSAT. I know I took several when I was coming through grade school in the states but I don't remember those too well. I hear a lot of complaining about them and about how they favor people who perform well on tests and their not a good measure, blah, blah, blah, and really none of it really holds much water in my opinion.

I will admit that when I took the test, they still had that ridiculous analogies in the verbal section which is pretty much useless(I mean who really cares about 13 letter words for bread or soap), but the rest of the exam, I actually found fairly decent in testing for basic knowledge. I won't comment on the rest of the verbal section which I thought outside the analogies tested decently for reading comprehension. I will delve into the math part of the exam.

The only thing I thought that was bad about the math part of the exam was that it was too easy. The test did not have anything difficult that a graduating senior that actually paid attention in class should find challenging. It did not have any calculus or advanced algebra or Geometry. It was mostly basic operations, simple algebra, and simple Geometry. Testing your knowledge of the most basic concepts like adding, subtracting, multiplying, and dividing along with fractions, basic geometry like knowing a triangle is 180 degree, what a right angle is, etc. Basic things that every graduating high school senior should have learned. There is nothing tricky about the questions on the test. So I don't see why its not fair. I mean having a college entrance exam testing for basic things like adding, subtracting, multiplying, diving, fractions, and basic geometry is not unfair and it is not asking for too much. If anything, the test is far too easy. How else are you going to see if the kids have enough knowledge to tackle basic college work. Extensive monitoring and one on one interviews with every child is not feasible by any extent. You have to have some kind of a bar(along with grades and such) to compare one kid to another as to which one is more qualified to go to a 4-year college. How else are you actually gonna do it?

As for the complaint that it is unfair to people who are bad at tests, tough. You will have to take tests in college, you will have to take exams in life. Test-taking is a useful skill(and not one that I'm particularly good at) and you will need it in life so if you don't have it coming out of high school, you'll need to develop it anyways. No being good at test-taking is not a valid excuse or argument to discredit standard college entrance exams.

So where's the actual logic or reason for complaints?
 
What I hear the most is that scores are correlated to income. Wealthy kids have parents with deep pockets who shovel out cash for tutors and prep books other students never get access to. To me, this criticism isn't unique to the SAT as it's true for everything. Though I don't have data at hand, I'd be willing to bet that right now, in the United States, students from high income families are more likely to have high GPAs, fat resumes filled with colorful activities like community service and science fair awards, and write better essays. Eliminating the SAT from admissions requirements will just take one metric that's biased towards the wealthy and replace it with another. However, it's easier for wealth to game the SAT than GPA and other extracurrics. The best solution is probably for universities to place additional weight on applications from poorer students and use affirmative action in the admissions process. Limiting the importance of the test wouldn't hurt either.

Another is that it's biased towards white people/discriminates unfairly against blacks and hispanics. To me, this is similar to the first issue. However, there's a classic example where the SAT had a question testing students on the word 'regatta.' (regatta = event where wealthy white people get in boats and race each other.) It's also tested phrases African American or ESLs wouldn't ever encounter. There's a fair amount of merit to this complaint.

Another issue is that scores might not serve as an accurate prediction of college success and isn't well correlated with intelligence. Many maintain that high school GPA is a much better indicator. I admittedly know little about these studies but from my limited undergrad experience at one of the US's more selective schools, I agree with this. Higher SAT (2200+) but low GPA (<3.8) students seem do worse than lower SAT (<2100) with higher GPAs (>3.8).

Overall, I don't think the SAT is very important.
 
Another issue is that scores might not serve as an accurate prediction of college success and isn't well correlated with intelligence.
From my (anecdotal) experience, it seemed to be correlated with intelligence but not necessarily with academic success. I view the SAT/ACT as a measure of potential/knowledge, while GPA is a better metric for work ethic/performance. I imagine a large disparity sends some sort of red flag -- e.g. high test scores with a low gpa could indicate someone is smart but lazy/unambitious.
 
Standardized tests are great . . . party for 4 years of college and still get into law school based on a 4 hour exam.
 
From my (anecdotal) experience, it seemed to be correlated with intelligence but not necessarily with academic success. I view the SAT/ACT as a measure of potential/knowledge, while GPA is a better metric for work ethic/performance. I imagine a large disparity sends some sort of red flag -- e.g. high test scores with a low gpa could indicate someone is smart but lazy/unambitious.

Same somewhat. But to an extent, GPA is also an indicator of the sort of smarts your referring to. To consistently get As for four years requires drive but also intelligence to fall back on. And from my perspective, the sort of mental stamina required to get a high GPA is a form of intelligence in its own right.
 
This is anecdotal (ie my opinion), but at least when I applied to schools in 2009 only your top SAT score would get reported, and the highest combined scores was used (3 separate sections for the test; highest score from each section can be from different tests). Maybe it was 2 highest, but I cant remember

There is long historical small biases for income (some others lesser impact) but people using sat scores (ie colleges) should, for the most part, be fully aware of such biases and judge accordingly. However, in witholding scores from being reported, lesser candidates can easily get advantages over those who dont take the test >3 times

As long as things are reported accurately, the tests just serve their function as at least one tangible metric

That said, if you don't get a decent (>620 id guess) on math, you have no hope of doing hard STEM classes
 
Sure, there are concerns about the huge advantages that higher income families get for the SAT/ACT/PSAT, but the concerns about those exams are the same for many kinds of tests the US uses. Popular criques include:

* Some feel that the curriculum tested by many college prep exams (Math up to Algebra II, essentially 10th grade english) is either too narrow, or covers material that many poor high schools don't teach. As difficult as it can be to believe for many OTers, there are lots of high schools in this country that do not offer Algebra II or the equivalent.

* Many (including myself) feel that popular standardized tests do not assess higher levels of understanding on Bloom's Taxonomy.

* There are concerns over racially or culturally biased test questions

I suspect that many concerns with these tests as far as college admissions are concerned are really, fundamentally about the horrifically unequal and substandard public education in our country for people who don't have money. There are very practical concerns with the examinations given out to our elementary and middle schools as well.
 
Yeah, but rich people have the same advantages as poor people in everything. I mean its pretty obvious that in life:

Being Rich>Being Poor

There's really nothing wrong with the SAT(as far as the math section goes). Its basically a test for basic mathematical comprehension. None of the questions on the math section can't be answered if you've taken Algebra I and Geometry, which is pretty much required to graduate.

Colleges value GPA as much as test scores, so its not solely based on test scores of course, but I do think they are important.
 
More of a problem with the funding for those schools rather than the SAT, imo. A student applying to college absolutely should have taken Algebra II.
 
I actually tried out for a teaching position with Princeton Review to teach SAT courses. I failed. But anyway, what I learned was essentially a bunch of tricks to bypass having to actually work through the processes as they are taught in high school classes. Most smart high schoolers will figure many of the tricks out on their own, which is fine, unless you're considering nervous test-takers. The issue I have is that wealthy parents can easily shell out $1000 to boost their teen's score 100-200 points, while poorer students are unable to take advantage of it. In practice, organizations like Princeton Review and Kaplan are placing an artificial barrier to social mobility that need not exist, all for their profit.

The ACT is a better-designed test, and although it's still vulnerable to certain tricks, you actually need to study course work to do well, which is why many areas have been switching to ACT.
 
I've seen some of these tricks but for the math portion, its actually a lot easier if you just know the math.

I mean you have a triangle where one angle is signified as a right angle, another angle is given, and then you have to find the third one. I mean if you know basic geometry, you hardly need any "tricks" to solve it.

Here's some sample SAT math questions:

http://www.freesatmath.com/
 
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