So what's wrong with fascism?
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And the more chances people take, the more likely they are to appear either incredibly unlucky or incredibly lucky. We're referring to Hitler as a lucky politician in this thread, but what we're all (including me) forgetting is his stint in prison, his failure to win the presidency and the relative obscurity of the NSDAP until the very end of parliamentary rule in the Weimar Republic. If Hitler had died in 1932, we'd see him as an incredibly unlucky politician. His later successes erased his earlier failures from our minds.
Borachio
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I want to say Hitler was a very nice chap in every way.
The truth, though, is that he was very good at public speaking, liked Alsatian dogs, was a vegetarian and....
He did indeed have a moustache (as did Charlie Chaplin - indeed they may have been the same person). And he was Austrian.
I believe he also had two legs, two arms and was about yay high.
MilesGregarius
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...and he drew some lovely post cards.
Borachio
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Er...unremarkable is a word that springs to mind, somehow. Still, if he'd had a major (or even second rate, perhaps) artistic talent, history might have played out differently. Maybe much worse. It's hard to judge.
MilesGregarius
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Lovely wasn't meant as a compliment. Perhaps I should have put it in quotes.
Hm, those you chose of Hitler's are way too horrible, but he had some which are a bit better:
That said, i am not of the view he was a talented artist. He seems to have been mostly focused on architecture and not painting. He does seem to utterly lack any ability for making the work stand out though, so in the end it seems lifeless and quite easy to forget.
So although he most probably would not have been a good painter, he still might have ended up a good architect if the university had accepted him.
That said, i am not of the view he was a talented artist. He seems to have been mostly focused on architecture and not painting. He does seem to utterly lack any ability for making the work stand out though, so in the end it seems lifeless and quite easy to forget.
So although he most probably would not have been a good painter, he still might have ended up a good architect if the university had accepted him.
sophie
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Hm, those you chose of Hitler's are way too horrible, but he had some which are a bit better:
That said, i am not of the view he was a talented artist. He seems to have been mostly focused on architecture and not painting. He does seem to utterly lack any ability for making the work stand out though, so in the end it seems lifeless and quite easy to forget.
So although he most probably would not have been a good painter, he still might have ended up a good architect if the university had accepted him.
Especially in light of the fact that he was painting this stuff in the early 20th century. It's very kitschy for a Europe which featured the likes of Matisse, Picasso, Braque, Duchamp, Balla, Tatlin, Kirchner, and Rodchenko as contemporaries.
Yes. Such paintings could realistically function today as quite ok graphics for an adventure game, but never could be great paintings. I mentioned architecture also because an architect creates a model or a drawing of something with the primary focus of showing how it would look as a concept of the actual building. A painter, on the other hand, ussually (by that era anyway) was mostly interested in presenting something acutely expressive which would make the work stand out not only as a collection of color and lines, but moreover as a symbol of the elements of a human soul.
From all his paintings i have seen, Hitler, while efficient to some degree with the forms of buildings, does not appear to ever try to present an emotion, or if he does he fails in it. So again he had very little prospect of being a good painter, unless he had changed very profoundly in university.
From all his paintings i have seen, Hitler, while efficient to some degree with the forms of buildings, does not appear to ever try to present an emotion, or if he does he fails in it. So again he had very little prospect of being a good painter, unless he had changed very profoundly in university.
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I think some here are not recognizing that there is a difference between corporations as in the business model that exists today and corporatism which is often a feature of fascist states. They sound the same, they are however not describing the same thing.
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Wow, that's quite a wake up back to the original purpose of the thread...
Anyway, Fascist "corporatism" is more precisely called "corporativism" (notice the vi). Basically, Fascism likens society to a body and seeks to make that body "healthy". Both "corporation" and "corporativism" derive from "corpore", which means body. Both originate from legal theories in which a group of many individuals can be likened to people (Mitt Romney!), though in the case in giving corporations legal personhood, that's justified. There is no way businesses would ever become large enough to produce supermarkets or consumer electronics on mass scale if shareholders and managers become responsible for every mishap that has been made.
Traitorfish
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re: Hitler's painting, from what I know, most of his surviving work was stuff he flogged to gift-shops and the like, which explains why it's all so uncharacteristically quaint. His personal preference was for grandiose, romantic , he just never got the opportunity to act on.
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
The prime difference being the level of success on the corporations' part in exercising control over the government, although I won't discount a level of willingness on the part of the government to allow that to completely happen. It's not merely the victory of one will over another.
MilesGregarius
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Hm, those you chose of Hitler's are way too horrible, but he had some which are a bit better:
My immediate thought when I saw this was artwork for a D&D module.
One wonders how many genocidal, world-conquering paranoiacs the world has been spared by the advent of RPGs.
How many have been unleashed upon us by X-Box Live?
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
Meh. Tea-bagging your e-corpse > working your family to death.
Until the next server outage, in which those trained by Microsoft for evil are forced to descend upon the rest of us and tea-bag our real corpses. After working us to death by marching us in the giant hamster-wheel that powers their current LAN party, of course.
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
Forcing gamers to peddle bicycles or run on hamster-wheels to power their own servers sounds like a fantastic plan for combating obesity.
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