So, who was the best swordsman in the Game of Thrones?

Who was the best swordsman in Game of Thrones?

  • Ned Stark

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Jaime Lannister

    Votes: 8 47.1%
  • The Hound

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • The Mountain

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Barristan Selmy

    Votes: 1 5.9%
  • Jon Snow

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Oberyn Martell

    Votes: 3 17.6%
  • Brienne of Tarth

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Stannis Baratheon

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other/The poll is dark and full of terrors

    Votes: 5 29.4%

  • Total voters
    17
  • Poll closed .
What about Arthur Dayne?

He's not on Game of Thrones. He's a long dead background character in the books and I don't recall if he was ever mentioned in the show. Of the currently alive people
people it would be Loras Tyrell (Jaime lost his dominant hand, Barristan is still formidable but past his prime) who is still very young but somewhat of a prodigy and practices obsessively.
 
Loras Tyrell or Jaime Lannister were the ones lauded as being extremely good swordsmen. Oberyn was more of a spearman, never read that he was good with a sword.
 
Anyway, a spear is still pretty close, and he was the coolest GoT character :yup:

As for Loras... didn't Brienne defeat him pretty easily? She also defeated the Hound (in the show, of course), but at least the Hound was already suffering from a wound at the time.
 
In the book he died needlessly. Any swordsman can be overthrown, even the best. Besides Brienne cheated by using her fists. I remembered that a gladiator guy put in a few licks on Barristan and he survived only because of his armour.
 
In the book he died needlessly. Any swordsman can be overthrown, even the best. Besides Brienne cheated by using her fists. I remembered that a gladiator guy put in a few licks on Barristan and he survived only because of his armour.

The Hound cheated first by pulling a Rob Roy ;)

Only in his case it was even more ridiculous, cause unlike the thin sword used in the antagonist of that movie, Brienne had an actually massive sword (from Valyrian steel as well), so one would suppose that the Hound would get his own fingers chopped off by trying to immobilise the blade..
 
As for Khal Drogo, let me change how you see him:

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Dear god my eyes are bleeding.

But from the show alone, I couldn't tell if Jaime was truly the best or if there was a little bravado there. I remember Barristan being pretty skilled as well, and Jaime seemed to treat him with some deference.
 
Arya Stark. I am confident the remaining seasons of the TV show will bear this out. Stuff the books if they claim otherwise, cuz I just watch the TV show.

Yes. It is abundantly clear and canon, as in written by the author and continued by the tv series, that Jaime Lannister is the best swordsman living before he loses his hand. There is absolutely no doubt about it.
yeah, but now he's all...

Spoiler :
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Arya Stark. I am confident the remaining seasons of the TV show will bear this out. Stuff the books if they claim otherwise, cuz I just watch the TV show.


yeah, but now he's all...

Spoiler :
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The poll clearly says before he lost his hand.
 
What poll are you looking at?

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EDIT: Blah, the OP says that, not the poll itself, but okay I will accept that as me standing corrected. So nevermind.
 
I think before we can answer this question, we need to define a metric for "good swordsman". Most people are implicitly suggesting a head-to-head tournament in a knockout or league format. I the format of the tournament is important. In a knockout tournament, I think there are some rock-paper-scissors stuff here that might affect who wins overall. The Mountain might kill someone like Jaime Lannister, who, while possibly the most skilled of all, maybe lacks the agility and quick action to defeat such a powerful opponent. OTOH, Jaime might defeat Oberyn, as Oberyn's twinblade/spear may be much less effective against someone as balanced and skilled as Jaime. Imagine if Bronn took part too (for the prize money, presumably) - he would surely do well against some but not all of his opponents. Expect plenty of upsets!

A league format, in which everyone plays everyone, will probably be won by Jaime or Oberyn, as it tends to select for the best overall player and completely eliminates rock-paper-scissors. Selmy is -- or rather was -- one of the best swordsmen in Westeros, but he's old and will probably be disadvantaged by the format: it's a much longer competition than a knockout and I think fatigue will set in after a few days of fighting.

There are of course other tournament types, like the ones used in Chess and TGCs. These tend to result in the best overall player winning, and minimise (but not eliminate) rock-paper-scissors. However, upsets are still possible. Again, I'd expect Jaime or Oberyn, who are supposed to be the best overall fighters.

However, a tournament isn't the only metric. Rather than competing head to head, one can judge ability by how well they do at a particular task. For example, following The Hound's advice, we can imagine how many Meryn Trants it would take to kill each fighter. According to The Hound, any boy with a sword can kill 3 Meryn Trants, so we already have some sort of comparison. However, Meryn Trant and a couple other swordsmen beat "the best swordsman in Braavos" (the waterdancer bloke), so perhaps The Hound's opinion of Meryn Trant isn't quite objective.

Anyway, in units of Meryn $%^&ing Trants here is my full answer:

[TABLE="head"]Swordsman | MFTs
Ned Stark | 8
Jaime Lannister | 16
The Hound | 12
The Mountain | 14
Barristan Selmy | 13
Jon Snow | 4
Oberyn Martell | 15
Brienne of Tarth | 10
Stannis Baratheon | 9[/TABLE]
 
^I still don't see why the sword-dancer of Braavos just allowed himself to die, moreso by such a stupid and useless opponent :( I suppose he might have taken a vow not to use again a real sword or something. Is the scene having the same ending in the books as well?
 
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