So why is Augustus the only 'great leader' that gets to play?

[ehecatzin]

Honestly I'd like to see leaders included AoE3 style, upon entering a new era you get to choose a great leader who gives certain bonus or even unlocks UU,UB, etc. It would allow for the inclusion of a lot of historical figures that are left out, as well as giving more variety at playing every civ.

 

[EK834]

Honestly I'd like to see leaders included AoE3 style, upon entering a new era you get to choose a great leader who gives certain bonus or even unlocks UU,UB, etc. It would allow for the inclusion of a lot of historical figures that are left out, as well as giving more variety at playing every civ.

It would be awesome, but I imagine in an open game as complex as Civ V this would make balancing the game exponentially more difficult for the developers and we might well end up with far less civs.

 

[Deaths Deputy]

I'm a Brit living in Poland and in my experience most Poles still have respect for Walesa, who did a great job of overthrowing the much maligned Communist regime, but they feel that whilst he made a great leader before he became President he did a pretty poor job as President.

 

[Gyra Solune]

As for the actual question, I think the reason Augustus is also on the whole end-of-game score list thingy is because that thing has been around for a long while, and it's the kind of thing they just copy and paste the data for into subsequent games - so it was Augustus on the list since before Augustus was the civ representative for Rome. Same reason the city lists make no sense, because they've just been copy-pasted and added to for several games now.

 

[VicRatlhead5199]

As for the actual question, I think the reason Augustus is also on the whole end-of-game score list thingy is because that thing has been around for a long while, and it's the kind of thing they just copy and paste the data for into subsequent games - so it was Augustus on the list since before Augustus was the civ representative for Rome. Same reason the city lists make no sense, because they've just been copy-pasted and added to for several games now.

Yup, same reason the last place is Dan Quayle. It was a funny, relevant joke in earlier Civs but now he's pretty much unknown to people under 30.

 

[Enrico Swagolo]

Yup, same reason the last place is Dan Quayle. It was a funny, relevant joke in earlier Civs but now he's pretty much unknown to people under 30.

Actually, it has made some people google his name. Never heard of this guy as I'm not American, but his quotes are golden and awesome. The guy is really funny.

The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history. I mean in this century's history. But we all lived in this century. I didn't live in this century.

DAN QUAYLE FOR AMERICAN LEADER IN CIV 6. Hey, it makes about as much sense as having Maria the Mad as Portugal's queen... Granted, thanks to the great Voice Actor, I kinda want to see her again in potential Civ 6, especially since Portugal both as civ to play and civ to befriend is very fun, and she's interesting... DARNIT, I knew I forgot someone in that "who you like/hate" thread.

 

[Guandao]

Actually, it has made some people google his name. Never heard of this guy as I'm not American, but his quotes are golden and awesome. The guy is really funny.

The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history. I mean in this century's history. But we all lived in this century. I didn't live in this century.

DAN QUAYLE FOR AMERICAN LEADER IN CIV 6. Hey, it makes about as much sense as having Maria the Mad as Portugal's queen... Granted, thanks to the great Voice Actor, I kinda want to see her again in potential Civ 6, especially since Portugal both as civ to play and civ to befriend is very fun, and she's interesting... DARNIT, I knew I forgot someone in that "who you like/hate" thread.

Maria might appear if they still need female leaders. But one leader I do not want to see would be Cleopatra for Egypt. She'll be speaking Greek or at best Egyptian Arabic. Hatshepsut is so much better.

 

[Walter R]

Or just change their hats like in civ 3!

I wish the leaders would change appearance like the advisors do - might be quite amusing to see:

1. Liz covered in woad and furs
2. Izzy without that bloody great crucifix
3. Monty in a business suit
4. Alex in a diplomatic car

etc. etc.

I always find it incongruous when I meet, say Haile on T30 and he's dressed in modern clothing; or Boudicca comes to insult me in modern era still waving that sword...

 

[ehecatzin]

I wish the leaders would change appearance like the advisors do - might be quite amusing to see:

1. Liz covered in woad and furs
2. Izzy without that bloody great crucifix
3. Monty in a business suit
4. Alex in a diplomatic car

etc. etc.

I always find it incongruous when I meet, say Haile on T30 and he's dressed in modern clothing; or Boudicca comes to insult me in modern era still waving that sword...

While it would be very cool to see that, like in previous games. It would be impossible to do it for CiV, those leaderscreens require quite a lot of production time, making them change with each era, heck even one change would demand way too much time. Remember that their production cycle can only acommodate 9 leaderscreens.

 

[Memoryjar]

Well, saying that Charlemagne was French is something of a stretch... but yeah, I agree with you it is a little odd...

A lot French think Charlemagne was the first French Emperor. Despite, France appeared with Hundred Years' War or Westphalie Treaty.

 

[Mercurio]

Some of the choices are just stupid. Like Dido instead of Hannibal or Hamilcar Barca, Theodora over Justinian and Maria I for Portugal. I don't mind female leaders, but it seems they tried to shoehorn them in over some great leaders.

As for Rome. Rome has quite a few good alternative leaders like Trajan, Marcus Aurelius, Julius Caesar, Hadrian, Constantine and going back to the Republic era some good leades back there as well. Augustus works however and makes sense.

 

[cpm4001]

Some of the choices are just stupid. Like Dido instead of Hannibal or Hamilcar Barca, Theodora over Justinian and Maria I for Portugal. I don't mind female leaders, but it seems they tried to shoehorn them in over some great leaders.

Theodora was a better ruler than her husband. Just sayin'...
I agree, though, that Dido was a bad choice for Carthage (she's mythical!), and putting Maria I in as the ruler of Portugal was a bizarre decision.

 

[Bagi]

While it would be very cool to see that, like in previous games. It would be impossible to do it for CiV, those leaderscreens require quite a lot of production time, making them change with each era, heck even one change would demand way too much time. Remember that their production cycle can only acommodate 9 leaderscreens.

I'm pretty sure I remember a dev quote saying that leaderscreens are by far the biggest effort when creating a new civ. Makes sense when you think that a new civ is basically just new colors and a few low poly units, but the leader screen needs to have a ton of modeling and voice acting to get the character just right.

The leaderscreens are absolutely great but like most great things they take a crapload of effort.

 

[Guandao]

Theodora was a better ruler than her husband. Just sayin'...
I agree, though, that Dido was a bad choice for Carthage (she's mythical!), and putting Maria I in as the ruler of Portugal was a bizarre decision.

But would Hannibal be a better choice to lead Carthage? He was a better general than political leader. Also Hiawatha is "mythical" and no one complains about him.

 

[Camikaze]

There was an interview in the lead-up to BNW in which Firaxis gave some insight into the choice of Maria as leader for Portugal. Basically, they were saying that they didn't chose leaders on the basis of who achieved the most for their respective civilization, but on the basis of who would provide the most interesting narrative or unique character.

 

[Breadsmith]

3. Monty in a business suit

He seems more of a Bluejeans wearing, pop-music listening kind of guy. But this would be awesome.