Solving minorities' problems once and for all.

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Hitler didn't want to move all of the jews, he wanted to kill them. You just want blacks to live on their own, god forbid what happens to interracial families/people etc.

I actually clarified what would happen to interracial families, but hey, let's not pass up an opportunity to be self-righteous.

My heart bleeds for you. For all your attempts to be edgy and insulting, you ultimately fail when people call you out on your proposals, just like your advocating of eugenics at one point.

I wasn't vague with my criticisms either and i am going to be honest here Mouthwash, this is an idea i expect someone from Stormfront to make (and they do make them their. See: "Race Realists")

You haven't actually made a coherent argument against my policy, merely called me racist and engaged in your usual bizarre attempts at condescension. I hope you're not doing this just so you amuse yourself by tiring me out talking against absurdities. I'm currently too tired and too stressed for such crap, and I'll take intentional trolling against me as a hostile act, NOT as a thing done in good humor.
 
Yeah, if you quote-mined my post a bit, you could.

Not even. Any single of your posts taken as a whole are entirely repugnant, and express subconsciously (if not consciously) a very insidious racial intolerance. I'm sure you think, assuming we aren't seeing Poe's Law in action, that you are being very reasonable and realistic, and are pointing out a reality we all live with that the rest of us unfortunates are just too timid and terrified to acknowledge.

But you are not. You are riding on the back of cultural pseudoscience and misanthropy towards the destination marked "race war". Godspeed to you sir, but spare us the misfortune of having to take that journey with you and persons of your ilk.

You said that my policies were "exactly the same" as South Africa's apartheid. Please tell me why that is, because I don't think that the rules are the same. At all.

You know, considering how you chastised me for not looking at a graph (I looked at it, by the way) that wasn't even relevant to our discussion you'd think you could bother to once-over a Wikipedia article.

Ah, well, they're only "experts," so who really needs them?

Hardly. You can find anyone in any field with enough half-baked enthusiasm and semi-competent credentials to back just about any viewpoint. Especially in territory as subjective and theoretical as anthropology as it's applied to contemporary cultures.

That's not even remotely what I said? Nation, properly defined, refers to a community of people who share a common language, culture, ethnicity, descent, or history. I addressed the anecdotal argument in the OP.

Sure, and I believe that it is a part of our shared national myth/self-identity that in America, our national body and existence transcends petty boundaries like race and ethnicity. Or are we living in different countries?
 
I hope you're not doing this just so you amuse yourself by tiring me out talking against absurdities. I'm currently too tired and too stressed for such crap, and I'll take intentional trolling against me as a hostile act, NOT as a thing done in good humor.

Your own sig said:
Hello. Before we proceed, I'd like to point out that all your beliefs, values and everything you hold near and dear to your heart is complete bull. If you're the kind of person who has the ability to eventually find out what I'm talking about, this is an important point. If not, you'll find it offensive and inconceivable. Which is perfect.

It amuses me indeed, it amuses me to see you make awful, disgusting rationalisations for terrible things, get called out on it and then try to claim it's legitimate whilst at the same time continuing to have that signature. Perhaps if you dislike people making the analogy and comparison to the Apartheid then maybe you shouldn't be advocating essentially the same system.

If you think im being hostile then that's your own problem for you are projecting, not i. In fact i am almost certain that this *is* what you want, the attention and all, well you've got it now. Deal with it.
 
You could, I don't know, give reparations to them?

So you admit you don't know how your proposal will improve anything. Cool.

Look how well the Palestinians did in the West Bank (they had one of the highest standards of living in the Middle East, and literacy rose continuously) until the Intifada, and even now they still integrate with settlers to a degree.

This is a bit of a non sequitur, is it not. Even what you are saying is true (I doubt it, the material level of Palestine was higher than in many places in the Middle East prior to 1948 anyway, and literacy rises generally except in an entirely failed state) prior to the Intifada the West Bank was characterised by the almost the total absence of freedom of movement and self-determination, so there's no comparison with your scenario.

There are also anthropologists who claim that black people in North America have a distinct quasi-nationality of their own with its center in Haiti. Others claim that Southerners, people from the West Coast, and even New Yorkers do, too.

Anthropolgists who? And how much are their ideas grounded in reality.

And if they are correct, doesn't that just proves my point about how Black people already have an identity even without being assigned their little Bantustans?
 
Let's keep in mind that OP believes "it's incredibly easy...to view black people as subhuman" as we discuss his plan.
 
Let's keep in mind that OP believes "it's incredibly easy...to view black people as subhuman" as we discuss his plan.

From the same mind who defended eugenics.
 
I still want to know whether Mouthwash has ever actually, you know, talked to one of those weird black people.
 
I submit that everyone of ethnic African descent (essentially anyone "black"- possibly Latinos as well) should be given areas in which only they can live and work. Whites, Asians, Indians, and anyone else who does not qualify as "black" would be barred from living there and could only enter as tourists, whereas black people, of course, would be able to live and work outside the reserves if they wanted to. My rationale is that it is impossible to integrate black society with WASP society due to the mental barriers preventing us from seeing people from different races as "our own." If one notices that in practice black people live together in black neighborhoods, and almost always marry other black people, this divide becomes more evident.

But what is this solving?

I believe that integration with white society is the root of most problems in the black community. If you've ever thought about it (assuming you are white), it's incredibly easy, with a stretch of the imagination, to view black people as subhuman (as their features are psychological alien to us) and presumably vice-versa. This causes discrimination and fosters division in society (if you need obvious examples, try this convenient slideshow). I submit that black police officers would have a far easier time enforcing order and mediating conflict in a black community than a white police officer would.

Moreover, when black people collectively organize themselves without legal divisions protecting them as well, it becomes easier to discriminate, as they tend to be poorer and their communities simply aren't invested in. It's a self-feeding cycle.

Of course, one could argue that if a person grew up around a smooth mixture of races, they would develop psychological connections to all of them, but that's just the point- they don't. Blacks gravitate towards each other even in a society where discrimination of any kind is taboo. I, however, see discrimination as a normal and inevitable product of human psychology.

But isn't this racist?

As per definition, "racism is usually defined as views, practices and actions reflecting the belief that humanity is divided into distinct biological groups called races and that members of a certain race share certain attributes which make that group as a whole less desirable, more desirable, inferior or superior."

My proposal is not predicated on actual biological differences inherent to races that make Africans undesirable, hence my ideas are by definition not racist.

You're wrong about inherent racial divisions! My community is perfectly integrated and race isn't even a factor.

Yeah, and Polish aristocrats spoke French. There always a class which was above national or ethnic divisions and saw themselves as the same people.

What rights will blacks have under this system?

All of them! At least, all of the ones they do now. They will be granted full citizenship of their own territories as well as of the United States, with voting rights and military obligations (although the black communities will have the right to form their own governments, adjudicate legal cases and levy taxes within their borders, and have self-determination and autonomy to a large extent). The federal government will have a responsibility to protect their lands, assets, resources and treaty rights. Blacks will still be able to run for any federal office.

If this still seems quasi-racist to you, I'd like you to point out what the fundamental differences are between this system and a little thing we call Indian reservations. :goodjob:
And may the flame wars begin.

Quotin' this so that the glory of this post may never disappear. I hope this is a hiy-larious ironic racist joke!
 
Let's make them separate... yet equal.

By sheer co-incidence, these equal areas will have absolutely no infrastructure or investment capital or economic productivity or markets to export to.
 
I guess it's only a matter of time before he starts advocating Jim Crow, Nick Carpathia.
 
My rationale is that it is impossible to integrate black society with WASP society due to the mental barriers preventing us from seeing people from different races as "our own."

This is the single most blatant example of projection I have ever seen.
 
I guess it's only a matter of time before he starts advocating Jim Crow, Nick Carpathia.

No, as the title indicates, I suspect this is his final solution.
 
Not even. Any single of your posts taken as a whole are entirely repugnant, and express subconsciously (if not consciously) a very insidious racial intolerance. I'm sure you think, assuming we aren't seeing Poe's Law in action, that you are being very reasonable and realistic, and are pointing out a reality we all live with that the rest of us unfortunates are just too timid and terrified to acknowledge.

But you are not. You are riding on the back of cultural pseudoscience and misanthropy towards the destination marked "race war". Godspeed to you sir, but spare us the misfortune of having to take that journey with you and persons of your ilk.

Is there even a response to this? Unfortunately now, as ad hominems can only be responded too with more ad hominems.

You know, considering how you chastised me for not looking at a graph (I looked at it, by the way) that wasn't even relevant to our discussion you'd think you could bother to once-over a Wikipedia article.

It wasn't? Really?

Hardly. You can find anyone in any field with enough half-baked enthusiasm and semi-competent credentials to back just about any viewpoint. Especially in territory as subjective and theoretical as anthropology as it's applied to contemporary cultures.

OK, well, that whole civil war thing must have been about either slavery or statist power, then.

Sure, and I believe that it is a part of our shared national myth/self-identity that in America, our national body and existence transcends petty boundaries like race and ethnicity. Or are we living in different countries?

Yes, it is a myth. Interesting how closely national boundaries conform to ethnicity and language in the rest of the world.

It amuses me indeed, it amuses me to see you make awful, disgusting rationalisations for terrible things, get called out on it and then try to claim it's legitimate whilst at the same time continuing to have that signature. Perhaps if you dislike people making the analogy and comparison to the Apartheid then maybe you shouldn't be advocating essentially the same system.

If you think im being hostile then that's your own problem for you are projecting, not i. In fact i am almost certain that this *is* what you want, the attention and all, well you've got it now. Deal with it.

Whites are actually the ones being discriminated against here, whereas blacks have total freedom of movement.

Again: do you have a criticism? If you respond again like that I'm simply not going to give you the attention.

So you admit you don't know how your proposal will improve anything. Cool.

Just an idea.

This is a bit of a non sequitur, is it not. Even what you are saying is true (I doubt it, the material level of Palestine was higher than in many places in the Middle East prior to 1948 anyway, and literacy rises generally except in an entirely failed state) prior to the Intifada the West Bank was characterised by the almost the total absence of freedom of movement and self-determination, so there's no comparison with your scenario.

Palestinians do have limited self-determination in area A. Besides, doesn't that help my argument as blacks WILL have total freedom of movement and self-determination?

Anthropolgists who? And how much are their ideas grounded in reality.

And if they are correct, doesn't that just proves my point about how Black people already have an identity even without being assigned their little Bantustans?

They do, but they simply group together in cities without any real self-determination.

Let's keep in mind that OP believes "it's incredibly easy...to view black people as subhuman" as we discuss his plan.

Ah, the fine art of quote-mining.
 
I still want to know whether Mouthwash has ever actually, you know, talked to one of those weird black people.

Yeah, my school is full of them (as I said, I live in Georgia). I had a crush on one as well.

Let's make them separate... yet equal.

Precisely.

By sheer co-incidence, these equal areas will have absolutely no infrastructure or investment capital or economic productivity or markets to export to.

No, they'll be assigned areas where they already live in large numbers. Georgia, Detroit, places like that.

This is the single most blatant example of projection I have ever seen.

Do explain.
 
OK, well, that whole civil war thing must have been about either slavery or statist power, then.

Indeed, we sent thousands of people to their deaths in order to kill the breed of racial intolerance and inequality that was slavery. Apparently we still didn't win.

Yes, it is a myth. Interesting how closely national boundaries conform to ethnicity and language in the rest of the world.

I posit that African Americans belong to the same Anglophone American ethnicity and culture as Anglo-Americans do. Prove me wrong. More importantly, I wholly reject your assertion that the United States should be divided and torn asunder to into racial bantustans, homelands and arbitrary means of oppressing and separating its inhabitants. We are after all, one nation.

EDIT: It is against the notion of freedom that people should be assigned places to live, especially if those assignments are based on keeping people in specific areas where they can be more easily-controlled or bottled up. You have no leg to stand on if you believe your proposal will somehow increase the "net liberty" and quality of life of the people you are proposing to have locked up.
 
No, they'll be assigned areas where they already live in large numbers. Georgia, Detroit, places like that.

So no economic opportunities or investment. Got it.

Will they also need to apply for passports to travel outside these designed relocation areas?
 
Also what should happen to people who live outside these Designated Relocation Areas? Surely they will cooperate with your scheme and peacefully settle your Designated Relocation Areas.
 
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