Nick Carpathia
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I guess people who don't want a certain ethnic group segregated to economically disadvantaged locations so they may never sully the gaze of the majority are... the true bigots.
Solving minorities' problems once and for all.
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Economically, such a segregation would be highly wasteful in the same vein trade barriers and immigration are an economic waste. It prevents the white community from making viable contributions to the black community vice versa. While it may not completely do so, and this is probably not the intention either, the very fact it forces to live them in certain places does already much of the damage. Economic waste aside, this forced delinking of their communities would lead to less empathy between the two groups, not more, logically leading to interethnic violence.
In fact, empirical evidence (check the spoiler) suggests that the key to solving minorities problems would be to relax zoning laws, which would mean more economic interdependence and in turn leading to them seeing each as part of a single community.
And finally, since Black would be limited to black neighborhood's, there would be less investment in Black-owned businesses, as most capital is owned by Whites, yet, they would not invest in such because they probably don't know any blacks. This would lead to Stockholm-esque riots. So no, it isn't a good idea, really.
In fact, empirical evidence (check the spoiler) suggests that the key to solving minorities problems would be to relax zoning laws, which would mean more economic interdependence and in turn leading to them seeing each as part of a single community.
And finally, since Black would be limited to black neighborhood's, there would be less investment in Black-owned businesses, as most capital is owned by Whites, yet, they would not invest in such because they probably don't know any blacks. This would lead to Stockholm-esque riots. So no, it isn't a good idea, really.
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Schools in black neighborhoods, believe it or not, teach the same public school curriculum taught everywhere else, as mandated by the relevant state government.
We would view them as a separate nation, which hopefully would prevent actual derogatory views about black neighborhoods, and we would be able to legitimately give them affirmative action without it being called discrimination.
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Hello Mouthwash. Before we proceed, I'd like to point out that all your ideas in the OP are complete bull. If you're the kind of person who has the ability to eventually find out what I'm talking about, this is an important point. If not, you'll find it offensive and inconceivable. Which is perfect.
This is a good and relevant argument. The only one on the thread, to my recollection.
Yeah, just like Spain must force Catalan schools to teach Spanish history. Still see a secessionist movement, though.
Nick Carpathia
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And the United States of America recognises the Federal Republic of Nigeria and that solved any derogatory view from the former of the latter.
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Except that there is no one agitating against teaching English or American history or just about anything else taught at public schools in black neighborhoods because... well, because actually, black and white Americans share a common history and common culture.
There are of course many other reasons why that comparison is just terrible, but I'm going to keep it simple.
But now you're just adding another layer of discrimination (non-Blacks barred from sections of their own country). Derogatory views about Black neighbourhoods will persist as long as they are seen as full of poverty, crime, other social ills. Affirmative action would still be called discrimination unless Black American neighbourhoods become sovereign states, in which case it will no longer be called affirmative action and will be denounced as wasteful government spending under another name. Your "solution" still solves nothing, and in fact creates more problems economically, as Kaiser pointed out.
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Why do I feel the spirit of the fedora emanating from every one of Mouthwash's posts?
Well, I can't actually refute him, because I know literally nothing about race relations or our minorities' culture, nor have I studied the ways in which nationalities emerge out of ethnic groups or culturally similar peoples. In fact there have been plenty of empires and states throughout history that have been what one would term "multinational" and still remained strong and united for centuries. My entire OP was a series of baseless assertions and generalizations which I provided no evidence for and cannot defend from concrete criticism.
Now ask yourself- how have I kept this thread going for so long?
Why because the only "criticism" I received were allusions to taboo or ostensibly evil social systems, which I specifically pointed out had no relevance to the proposal whatsoever (even providing a link to the fallacy they were committing), and moreover was not a criticism so much as an accusation. Oddly, they still kept repeating it over and over despite every refutation I made and quoted statements that seemed to support a quasi-racist viewpoint when removed entirely from context.
This is actually starting to sound like the criticism of, well, Israel. I'm sure I could name a few more examples.
Now let's all think on what they did wrong, shall we?
Moderator Action: I don't think this proposal is a good topic for these forums, even if posted in good faith. Thread closed.
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