Solving minorities' problems once and for all.

[Nick Carpathia]

Mouthwash go kill yourself you disgusting racist pile of trash.

Moderator Action: That's a four day ban.

 

[Tee Kay]

So no economic opportunities or investment. Got it.

Will they also need to apply for passports to travel outside these designed relocation areas?

I think they idea is that certain neighbourhoods would be designated Blacks Only, not that anyone will be forced to move there.

Then again, what exactly is the point.

 

[Nick Carpathia]

I have once lusted after a member of group X. Therefore I can by definition never hold antipathy against group X.

 

[Tee Kay]

Do explain.

Applying an unproven blanket statement or assertion across a broad diverse group of population, I think.

 

[Lord of Elves]

So no economic opportunities or investment. Got it.

Will they also need to apply for passports to travel outside these designed relocation areas?

Even if Mouthwash does not explicitly provide for the implementation of legal apartheid (other than the creation of his bantustans) he is creating the township economy of apartheid South Africa. I suppose it will be the product of the inability of the races to coexist when as a result the people he is relocating will be forced to turn to petty crime in order to feed themselves and their children.

 

[Mouthwash]

Indeed, we sent thousands of people to their deaths in order to kill the breed of racial intolerance and inequality that was slavery. Apparently we still didn't win.

This is not a response to my statement.

I posit that African Americans belong to the same Anglophone American ethnicity and culture as Anglo-Americans do. Prove me wrong.

OK, first look up the definition of "ethnicity," then recall the black "street accent" which is still mainly used by them, their completely different history, their soul music and southern food, and lastly explain to me why black, white, and Latino neighborhoods are so sharply divided on a map. Burden of proof is on you, my friend.

More importantly, I wholly reject your assertion that the United States should be divided and torn asunder to into racial bantustans, homelands and arbitrary means of oppressing and separating its inhabitants. We are after all, one nation.

No we aren't. Which is my point.

EDIT: It is against the notion of freedom that people should be assigned places to live, especially if those assignments are based on keeping people in specific areas where they can be more easily-controlled or bottled up. You have no leg to stand on if you believe your proposal will somehow increase the "net liberty" and quality of life of the people you are proposing to have locked up.

Didn't I just specifically say that blacks would have total freedom of movement and could live wherever they wanted while the only people who would actually be affected would be whites?

So no economic opportunities or investment. Got it.

When did I say this?

Will they also need to apply for passports to travel outside these designed relocation areas?

Kindly read the OP and my rehashings and repetitions throughout this thread.

Mouthwash would you call yourself... not racist?

Why, no.

 

[Tee Kay]

I have once lusted after a member of group X. Therefore I can by definition never hold antipathy against group X.

Stalin was totally hot

 

[Tee Kay]

OK, first look up the definition of "ethnicity," then recall the black "street accent" which is still mainly used by them, their completely different history, their soul music and southern food, and lastly explain to me why black, white, and Latino neighborhoods are so sharply divided on a map. Burden of proof is on you, my friend.

Problem with this is, this would make bogans an ethnicity.

 

[Lord of Elves]

As someone born and raised in the south I'll have you know that "southern food" is not a uniquely African American thing. I am unaware of this "street accent", nor am I particularly-swayed by your assertion that African Americans living in different parts of urban centers from other groups must necessarily lead to the idea that African Americans cordon themselves off in order to preserve their ethnic purity or whatever. I'm fairly certain we can both be honest and agree that in urban centers this is often because there are rich and poor neighborhoods, and African Americans are unfortunately more likely to be members of the urban poor than the gentrified middle class.

You are building some kind of false identity of African Americans out of these stereotypical, poorly-formed building blocks like "street accent". What does that even mean? Are you going to start raving on about Ebonics?

You can specify anything you like. One way another you are forcibly relocating members of a race to specific areas where they are meant to live together alone. Not only is this antithetical to any form of freedom, economic, social or political but technically-speaking it is considered by the United Nations one of the later stages preceding genocide of the same group.

You are not making a well-formed argument. You are spitting poorly-informed rhetorical bile, pseudo-science and lies.

EDIT: If you believe that the United States is not one country then you are living in a different country than I am, and I'd care not to be forced to live in it with you.

 

[Mouthwash]

Mouthwash go kill yourself you disgusting racist pile of trash.

Hmm, it would appear that some of my "egalitarian" opponents are perhaps running out of steam.

I think they idea is that certain neighbourhoods would be designated Blacks Only, not that anyone will be forced to move there.

That's actually been fairly obvious from the beginning.

I have once lusted after a member of group X. Therefore I can by definition never hold antipathy against group X.

You don't have to believe me, but I liked her for her personality as well. I think you're confusing deductive with inductive reasoning.

Even if Mouthwash does not explicitly provide for the implementation of legal apartheid (other than the creation of his bantustans) he is creating the township economy of apartheid South Africa. I suppose it will be the product of the inability of the races to coexist when as a result the people he is relocating will be forced to turn to petty crime in order to feed themselves and their children.

If we wish to break the fruitless cycle of tit for tat and return to at least a semblance of productive dialogue at some point we must desist from answering each other's questions with a strawmen and insults and actually deign to provide what is known as a, you know, argument.

 

[Nick Carpathia]

No one is taking your idiot proposal to further segregate black people into ghettos in the slightest of good faith.

 

[Tee Kay]

I'm still not seeing how the proposal in the OP would "improve the living standards of black people", aside from reparations, which is something else altogether.

All I'm seeing is a needlessly inflammatory argument to institutionalise what are informally racial neighbourhoods, alienating both Blacks and Non-Blacks, in the pursuit of nothing; a plan which has no redeeming feature whatsoever.

 

[Nick Carpathia]

Repeating a wikipedia list of "logical fallacies" does not make your own points the slightest bit more valid.

 

[Mouthwash]

As someone born and raised in the south I'll have you know that "southern food" is not a uniquely African American thing. I am unaware of this "street accent", nor am I particularly-swayed by your assertion that African Americans living in different parts of urban centers from other groups must necessarily lead to the idea that African Americans cordon themselves off in order to preserve their ethnic purity or whatever. I'm fairly certain we can both be honest and agree that in urban centers this is often because there are rich and poor neighborhoods, and African Americans are unfortunately more likely to be members of the urban poor than the gentrified middle class.

You are building some kind of false identity of African Americans out of these stereotypical, poorly-formed building blocks like "street accent". What does that even mean? Are you going to start raving on about Ebonics?

OK, those might have been bad examples. But latinos don't seem to assimilate with blacks either. It's axiomatic that ethnicities gravitate towards each other.

You can specify anything you like. One way another you are forcibly relocating members of a race to specific areas where they are meant to live together alone. Not only is this antithetical to any form of freedom, economic, social or political but technically-speaking it is considered by the United Nations one of the later stages preceding genocide of the same group.

Sure, just like creating the extremely homogenous state of Poland happened right before their genocide.

EDIT: If you believe that the United States is not one country then you are living in a different country than I am, and I'd care not to be forced to live in it with you.

The US is a state, just like Iraq is a state. However, while the US does have a national identity it doesn't generally extend to blacks who do not have the same history that we do. Do black schools focus on the Revolutionary War and the fight for independence? Of course not, because it doesn't relate to them. Their schools probably teach more about the Civil war, black slave trade and emancipation, and the civil rights movement.

 

[Lord of Elves]

@Mouthwash, I am not strawmanning you. What you are proposing, whether you can apparently bear to recognize it or not, is the adoption of apartheid policies. The little "blacks only" regions are the bantustans, and they would have to inevitably be followed by forced deportations and the creation of legal race groups in order to effectively sort and categorize citizens as to whether or not they should be deported. You are not interested in a productive dialogue, or you wouldn't have approached this so stridently in the first place. You are lecturing.

In any case, I have no good faith, benefit of the doubt or whatever left to offer for someone who has announced that Well, you know, if you think about it's really easy to think about black people like animals... and consequently we should seriously consider roping them off and kicking all white people out of areas they live in, so as to make sure they can't cause us any more trouble.

EDIT: Are there any black schools left? Most Americans attend public school, regardless of race or ethnicity

 

[Mouthwash]

Repeating a wikipedia list of "logical fallacies" does not make your own points the slightest bit more valid.

I don't think you understand the point of explaining to OTHER PEOPLE their own logical fallacies.

 

[Mouthwash]

@Mouthwash, I am not strawmanning you. What you are proposing, whether you can apparently bear to recognize it or not, is the adoption of apartheid policies. The little "blacks only" regions are the bantustans, and they would have to inevitably be followed by forced deportations and the creation of legal race groups in order to effectively sort and categorize citizens as to whether or not they should be deported. You are not interested in a productive dialogue, or you wouldn't have approached this so stridently in the first place. You are lecturing.

In any case, I have no good faith, benefit of the doubt or whatever left to offer for someone who has announced that Well, you know, if you think about it's really easy to think about black people like animals... and consequently we should seriously consider roping them off and kicking all white people out of areas they live in, so as to make sure they can't cause us any more trouble.

EDIT: Are there any black schools left? Most Americans attend public school, regardless of race or ethnicity

I'm honestly shaking my head right now. I'm truly amazed at how much you can argue without actually arguing against anything.

You know what I meant by "black schools." I am done playing your game. Either debate or I don't have to acknowledge your presence here.

 

[Lord of Elves]

I'm honestly shaking my head right now. I'm truly amazed at how much you can argue without actually arguing against anything.

You know what I meant by "black schools." I am done playing your game. Either debate or I don't have to acknowledge your presence here.

No, I really don't know what you meant by "black schools".

More importantly, I reject entirely your proposition that there is somehow a shared past and history that "we" have that "blacks" don't. I'm not certain who "we" are, first of all, neither am I entirely convinced that blacks somehow feel they are not a part of the same United States as the rest of us.

 

[Tee Kay]

How about you address how your proposal would achieve Black economic empowerment.

 

[Mouthwash]

No, I really don't know what you meant by "black schools".

Schools in black neighborhoods.