Some forgotten-but-important technologies

[Ramesses]

It always irks me with the Pyramids that hey do nothing religious - which is their whole reason for existance. Like the Spiral Minaret, prehaps they sholud provide 0.5 free experiance points to al units in all cities per religious building?

Or rather, they should do what Shwedagon Paya does now: Unlock all Religious civics.

Although that would leave SP, which is also a religious wonder, without a unique function.

 

[Flying Pig]

Yes; and I think theat Sp is more 'deserving' of the effect

 

[UWHabs]

Problem with SP is that it comes too late. Often time, the only religious civic I don't have unlocked when I could build it is FR.

 

[GoodGame]

It's not hard to get SP early if you Oracle->Aesthetics.

 

[pi-r8]

but is it really worth beelining the SP? I really can't think of any benefit for doing so.

 

[Antilogic]

Problem with SP is that it comes too late. Often time, the only religious civic I don't have unlocked when I could build it is FR.

Pacifism is already unlocked for you? How did you manage to get Philosophy without the Aesthetics tree? Or am I just remembering the tech tree wrong?

Generally, everybody has Organized Religion, and a handful have Theocracy through Theology, although you don't have to research Theology to get Aesthetics. So, it is possible you might reveal 3 religious options with the Sweaty Papaya.

 

[UWHabs]

Code of Laws + GS bulb gets you Philosophy, I think. Yeah, it can unlock them, but very rarely is it worth the hammers. Often times OR is the best religion civic choice, especially early when every city needs their granaries and courthouses and libraries.

 

[Antilogic]

That sounds a lot harder than just researching through the tree, but if it works for you, go for it. I wouldn't do it just for Pacifism, though...I need my great scientists.

I guess if you are in the Liberalism race, you do need Philosophy any way...all right, I'll concede the point.

 

[Flying Pig]

If I'm being honest, my main reason to get it is that it looks very cool. Plus, I like the modern civics like FR - which is really good in its own right

 

[Abegweit]

New Zealand is *often* referred to as part of Polynesia, and just as often as being part of Australasia.

I thought we were talking about the world as it was before the whites arrived. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Australasia is a White Man's term. Most of the people living in Australia and New Zealand are whites and Australasia is that part of the area which is mainly white. However, the NATIVES of New Zealand are Polynesian and the natives of Australia are, to introduce yet another term, Austronesian. The two groups have about as much in common as either does with whites.

In geography, definitions have very little to do with facts and everything to do with politics.

Actually, this is not about geography or politics but rather about history and anthropology. Furthermore definitions and facts are intimately related. You really do seem to be confused about the basics.

 

[whitelaughter]

[raised eyebrow] Any particular reason you feel compelled to try to teach Australasian history to an Australian Aborigine?
What *I* was talking about was migration patterns. Your initial response was to be insulting. Now you are desperately trying to move goal posts to hide the fact that you've stuck your foot in your mouth. Should you learn some manners, I'll be happy to show you the flaws in your statements.

 

[Antilogic]

I'd be concerned what Sniper Kitty will do to you. I'd duck randomly throughout the day, just to through his aim off.

 

[Abegweit]

[raised eyebrow] Any particular reason you feel compelled to try to teach Australasian history to an Australian Aborigine?

Because you manifestly don't understand it? Why would an Australian Aborigine be using White Man terms like "Australasian" anyway? And why do you think that your race is important? I certainly didn't know you were an aborigine and I don't see why it is the slightest bit relevant to the discussion.

What *I* was talking about was migration patterns. Your initial response was to be insulting.

And you were wrong about migration patterns. I simply pointed it out. If you choose to be offended by that instead of learning something from it, that's your issue. Not mine.

Now you are desperately trying to move goal posts to hide the fact that you've stuck your foot in your mouth. Should you learn some manners, I'll be happy to show you the flaws in your statements.

Yeah. Right, bud. The original topic was Polynesian migration patterns. You chose to mix in white migration patterns and now you bring up aborigines. Then you claim that I'm moving the goal post. What' next? Yanomami? You might try looking in the mirror. You describe yourself very well. Unfortunately, I really doubt that you are capable of it.

 

[Abegweit]

I'd be concerned what Sniper Kitty will do to you. I'd duck randomly throughout the day, just to through his aim off.

ten char

 

[Notadolfhitler]

Wow, I missed that completely. Good catch.

Technically, the Egyptians did have something like an alphabet...the Demotic script, if I recall correctly. Not the traiditional hieroglyphs we think of when we think of Ancient Egypt--that was a different writing system entirely.

Egyptian hieroglyphics is not considered an alphabet but it is considered a writing system. Also the first writing system was cuneiform in mesopotamia not the egyptians how else would hammy right down his code.

 

[Flying Pig]

Surely accuracy beecomes difficult at that point - how can you tell who thought of it first when both are more than 3000 years old? The egyptians may have inspired the Babylonians and all their writings been destroyed, or vice-versa.

 

[tsentom1]

Egyptian hieroglyphics is not considered an alphabet but it is considered a writing system. Also the first writing system was cuneiform in mesopotamia not the egyptians how else would hammy right down his code.

Uhmm, Hammurabi was about ~ 1750 BC so his ability to write down his code is completely irrelevant considering pre-hieroglyphs in Egypt date to around ~4000 BC. Pre-cuneiform also dates to around ~ 4000 BC, but regardless they're both a good 2250 years before Hammurabi and his code.

Also, the point was Egyptian Hieroglyphics eventually evolved into an alphabet. Cuneiform, although there is evidence it was beginning to develop alphabet like properties (in Akkad and Elam), never evolved into an alphabet proper.

The writing in Byblos is really the main ancient language link archeologists don't completely understand.

 

[whitelaughter]

Because you manifestly don't understand it? Why would an Australian Aborigine be using White Man terms like "Australasian" anyway? And why do you think that your race is important? I certainly didn't know you were an aborigine and I don't see why it is the slightest bit relevant to the discussion.

Because "White Man terms" is not a phrase which can be used by anyone with a positive IQ. It is ignorant, racist, and insulting. For starters, what language do you think you are writing in? Then:
"Polynesia" - *Latin* - 'many islands'.
"Australia" - *Latin* - 'South'
"Aboriginal" - *Latin* - 'of origin'

And you were wrong about migration patterns.

Prove it. Provide any university website that contradicts me.

I simply pointed it out. If you choose to be offended by that instead of learning something from it, that's your issue. Not mine.

Hint - lies don't work when the truth is sittign on the same page! Your words, cut and pasted: "Dood. You really need to stop showing your ignorance to the world. It's embarrassing."

You might try looking in the mirror. You describe yourself very well. Unfortunately, I really doubt that you are capable of it.

"Dood. You really need to stop showing your ignorance to the world. It's embarrassing."
You have certainly described yourself very well.

And added to my ignore list.

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[Abegweit]

And added to my ignore list.

Rant without facts at all ending with hands over ears. Pathetic. Truly pathetic.

BTW, in my experience people with ignore lists are usually people who hide from facts. But they always have a need to rant one last time before they put their hands over their ears.

Pathetic. Truly pathetic.

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[Flying Pig]

I feel obliged to pick up on this one:

"Polynesia" - *Latin* - 'many islands'.

It's actually Greek - Latin equivalent is Multainsula.

Prove it. Provide any university website that contradicts me.

Burden of proof lies on the proposer - you need to do the proving. Otherwise, there is a teapot on the roof

Hint - lies don't work when the truth is sittign on the same page! Your words, cut and pasted: "Dood. You really need to stop showing your ignorance to the world. It's embarrassing."

"Dood. You really need to stop showing your ignorance to the world. It's embarrassing."
You have certainly described yourself very well.

And added to my ignore list.

Good point - sniper kitty, start using a bit of evidence and thought in your arguments. This one is degrading a bit.