Something I noticed about the German Panzer

[Artifex]

On the tech tree..Modern Armor is just the 3rd tech after the Panzers, given you researched flight before the tech where you get panzer (forgot name).

That really devalues the Panzer even more doesn't it?

 

[Artifex]

Forgot you need aluminum too, so one more tech. Still seems kind of close to panzer.

 

[silver 2039]

You are assuming that people immediataly rush to Synthetic Fibers which they do not. I presonally prefer to research several other things before getting MA's. The Panzer is also far more deadly and powerful than the tank with it's 3 movement.

 

[Commander Bello]

For me, it looks like 4 additional techs, since you require Rocketry for aluminium (except of cours, you referred to Advanced Flight)

 

[LordKestrel]

The Panzer is so superior to the ordinary tank, it doesn't matter that it's only around for a handful of techs. That one extra move can be the difference between taking a civ in 2 turns, and taking it in 6. With the extra movement of the panzer, your troops are unstoppable. If you wait until you can build the panzer to have your golden age, it's easy to have 40 cities producing a tank every 1-2 turns. On a Pangea, that effectively means that you can run over most/all of the map during your golden age. Stay in Republic, and you won't have any war weariness problems, and you'll still have good income.

 

[Strider]

As jimmydead said, the panzer is over-powering espicially inside of the fast producing industrial age's. Combine that with a golden age, and germany is a very powerful opponent.

 

[CIVPhilzilla]

To bad the AI germany in my game was unlucky and did not have oil and was several techs behind. Leaving it perfectly vunrable to a full scale invasion.

:tank::tank::tank:
:soldier::soldier::soldier::soldier::soldier:

 

[Commander Bello]

Originally posted by Strider
As jimmydead said, the panzer is over-powering espicially inside of the fast producing industrial age's. Combine that with a golden age, and germany is a very powerful opponent.

The Ottoman Sipahi is even better. Has 3 mp as well and outnumbers the best defensive unit (French musketeer) by 160% (A85). But the French musketeer is a UU as well. So, the Sipahi has to have bad luck to meet it. Compared with the next non-UU best defense, it has 200%!

The German Panzer instead will meet Infantry everywhere (A1610).
Since there are just some cavalry-type units with a movement of 3, the Panzer isn't *THAT* good (although, of course, I like to have it as well).
The Panzer should have 1 or 2 additional hps, then the Tank could have 3 mp as well (it now has just 2, which makes the Tank less desirable and pretty slow in comparison to Sipahis and Cossacks)

 

[Speaker]

Originally posted by Commander Bello


The Ottoman Sipahi is even better. Has 3 mp as well and outnumbers the best defensive unit (French musketeer) by 160% (A85). But the French musketeer is a UU as well. So, the Sipahi has to have bad luck to meet it. Compared with the next non-UU best defense, it has 200%!

The German Panzer instead will meet Infantry everywhere (A1610).
Since there are just some cavalry-type units with a movement of 3, the Panzer isn't *THAT* good (although, of course, I like to have it as well).
The Panzer should have 1 or 2 additional hps, then the Tank could have 3 mp as well (it now has just 2, which makes the Tank less desirable and pretty slow in comparison to Sipahis and Cossacks)

The Sipahi has no blitz ability, which Tanks do. Blitz means more upgrades, means more leaders, along with the obvious advantage of being able to attack twice with the same unit. Tanks also have a much better defense rating than Cavalry, so they are not easily slaughtered in the field.

 

[Commander Bello]

The Sipahi hasn't? I've never played the Ottomans, at least not long enough to get it.
Maybe I got confused with the Cossack. Although this one has less attack strength, of course (I haven't played with the Cossack, either, but I know it's Blitz from the Napoleonic Age and it has been mentioned in the Civilopedia, so I assume this is right)

About the defense rating of the Panzer I am not so sure, since it's d8 make it a prey for both, the "normal" tank as well as the Marine. And it will suffer heavily from artillery or bomber bombardment.
Nevertheless, if you let my choose I would become a little Guderian or Rommel

 

[Masquerouge]

No, the Sipahi has no blitz attack, but they still rock seriously !
Armies of Sipahies are just... errr... WOW ! 4 MP, blitz attack, and an effective attack of at least 12 ! (with military academy and Pentagon it jumps to 16...)

 

[Longasc]

I build hundreds of Tanks/Panzers usually before I get modern armor, even if there are only few turns between them - you just have a large empire and very productive cities in that time.

I do not enjoy the late game - long turns, quick developement. I prefer the ancient times where I can micromanage my few units better without wasting too much time.

 

[AIL]

I have taken out the whole industrialization thing in my mod... that not only makes the lategame less tedious for me but also helps the AI who did not properly industrialize anyway...

 

[player1 fanatic]

..given you researched flight before the tech where you get panzer...

That's the key.
If you delay getting Motorized Transportation it's no woder why Panzers don't look good for you.

As for me, I get them before Flight and Radio.

And it's cruicial to get them as early as possibile, otherwise there is possibility of AI getting Computers or Rocketry too early, which make Tanks less effeective.

 

[warpstorm]

Originally posted by Artifex
On the tech tree..Modern Armor is just the 3rd tech after the Panzers, given you researched flight before the tech where you get panzer (forgot name).

Why would you do that as the Germans? I always left flight for later.