Something wrong with Babylon

[Atoll]

Guys, I have such a problem: playing as Babylon, I noticed that UHV is impossible just by definition! First goal is "be first to discover writing, monarchy and code of laws". OK, i tried several times, but as soon as i discover first of those techs (usually it's writing), - at the same turn game says me that i failed Here is example: savegame at 1 turn before writing. Look at "not yet" indicator in historic victory screen. It will change to "NONE" at the next turn, after you'll get writing.

View attachment OneTurnBefore.CivBeyondSwordSave

Again: I've tried many times but with the same result. Is it bug or what?

 

[GGracchus]

I think it might mean you weren't the first to writing. Did you go writing first? China will get it usually if you don't.

 

[Akbarthegreat]

I had done a few tests on viceroy, on which 60% [6 out of 10 games]of the times on viceroy[!] China beat me to writing. Well Babylonia does suck, it gets boring after attempting it many times. If you truly are dedicated and want to win, just keep reloading and hope for good stuff from huts[For the other UHVs].

Then again, it isn't a bug. The prob is that China beelines to writing half of the times.

After writing if you want to get the other UHVs then read this guide:http://web.archive.org/web/20090514073402/http://rhye.civfanatics.net/wiki/index.php?title=Rhye%27s_and_Fall_of_Civilization_-_Babylonian_strategy
Winning without it is really tough.

 

[Akbarthegreat]

I've attached a game [TURN 50] in which I popped Math from a hut, and founded confucianism. I got the wheat early and this was the viceroy game I won.

 

[blizzrd]

Guys, I have such a problem: playing as Babylon, I noticed that UHV is impossible just by definition! First goal is "be first to discover writing, monarchy and code of laws". OK, i tried several times, but as soon as i discover first of those techs (usually it's writing), - at the same turn game says me that i failed Here is example: savegame at 1 turn before writing. Look at "not yet" indicator in historic victory screen. It will change to "NONE" at the next turn, after you'll get writing.

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Again: I've tried many times but with the same result. Is it bug or what?

The Babylonian UHV is most certainly not impossible by definition.

The UHV condition is only resolved (pass/fail) once you learn the required techs for yourself. You won't know which civ beat you to the tech until this time, unless you use worldbuilder to check.

You have to beeline straight for writing, there's really no other way without getting Writing out of a goody hut. You should also cottage the Marble first rather than improve any other tile early.

 

[Atoll]

I had done a few tests on viceroy, on which 60% [6 out of 10 games]of the times on viceroy[!] China beat me to writing. Well Babylonia does suck, it gets boring after attempting it many times. If you truly are dedicated and want to win, just keep reloading and hope for good stuff from huts[For the other UHVs].

Then again, it isn't a bug. The prob is that China beelines to writing half of the times.

I still think it's some bug. I've also done 3-4 tests... and China always discover Writing at the same turn with me (I checked it in worldbuilder)... and regardless of what turn is it (25th, 30th or 40th turn - no matter) Statistically, it's impossible! Here is another save.

View attachment EpicFail.CivBeyondSwordSave

At 20th turn, UHV indicator was "not yet". At 21th turn, I discovered Writing (earliest result in my whole practice). And guess what... damn China overtook me again! And what should I think after that???

 

[blizzrd]

You are wrong, it is not a bug. Just because you aren't fast enough to Writing doesn't mean that the game is bugged, it just means that you need to improve your play.

One way to slow China's research rate is to send a warrior towards Beijing from the start and hassle their worker or better still capture their worker. Think outside the square.

Try to think of ways to improve your game, instead of insisting that it is someone else's problem (i.e. the game is bugged). Many people before you have managed to solve the Babylonian UHV.

After checking your savegame, it is no wonder that you are getting beaten to Writing - you haven't improved a single tile around Babylon! As I posted earlier, you need to build a cottage on the Marble as your first action.

Your game play is not very good, that is why you can't win the Babylon UHV.

 

[Atoll]

You are wrong... you aren't fast enough... you need to improve your play... Try to think... Many people before you... Your game play is not very good, that is why you can't win the Babylon UHV.

Damn, I'm a civ player since 2000, i played civ2, then civ3, then civ4, then civ5... I'm also won this Babylon game many, many times (before I reinstalled my whole damn system). This savegame was just an example. And Writing at 21th turn - is it still not fast enough? Anyway, I'm not whining "Oh, people, China overtook me" here... Instead, i tried to say "look guys, no matter how I play (good, bad, fast, slow...), no matter what i build (farms, cottages, quarries, nothing...) China always overtake me...

OK, one example is better than 1000 words. Instead of telling me how stupid I am, can you post your savegame with such conditions:
1) 3000 BC Unlocked scenario
2) Viceroy level
3) Writing discovered before China.

 

[blizzrd]

Damn, I'm a civ player since 2000, i played civ2, then civ3, then civ4, then civ5... I'm also won this Babylon game many, many times (before I reinstalled my whole damn system). This savegame was just an example. And Writing at 21th turn - is it still not fast enough? Anyway, I'm not whining "Oh, people, China overtook me" here... Instead, i tried to say "look guys, no matter how I play (good, bad, fast, slow...), no matter what i build (farms, cottages, quarries, nothing...) China always overtake me...

OK, one example is better than 1000 words. Instead of telling me how stupid I am, can you post your savegame with such conditions:
1) 3000 BC Unlocked scenario
2) Viceroy level
3) Writing discovered before China.

I don't play Viceroy. Here is a Monarch game that I just whipped up.

 

[Atoll]

I don't play Viceroy. Here is a Monarch game that I just whipped up.

No, my friend, i was asking exactly viceroy Don't know why, but in case of Babylon, viseroy level looks actually harder than monarch. I just made 6 tests (3 on viceroy & 3 on monarch), trying to be first in Writing. Here is results:

Monarch:
Test1 - Writing at 31 turn - win
Test2 - Writing at 32 turn - win
Test3 - Writing at 32 turn - win

Viceroy:
Test1 - Writing at 26 turn - fail
Test2 - Writing at 26 turn - win
Test3 - Writing at 25 turn - fail

Plus, yesterday i discovered Writing at 21th turn (see my savegame in post № 6) - and still fail, even in this case Though, I'm agree now: it's not a bug...

PS Crazy situation during one of those tests - Egyptian lions in Kazakh steppes (i swear, it's not becouse of worldbuilder or so):

Spoiler :

How it possible at all???

 

[corovanrobber]

Egyptian lions happen only through worldbuilder, period. You must have placed them unintentionally. Anything you might say otherwise is not true.

 

[Atoll]

Egyptian lions happen only through worldbuilder, period. You must have placed them unintentionally

Yeah, frankly it's only thing that comes to mind. I used WB to "spy" for China. But lions? How could i add them...?

And btw, judging by your login "corovanrobber", can I ask you: ty sluchayno ne iz nashih?

 

[Synapce]

Yeah, frankly it's only thing that comes to mind. I used WB to "spy" for China. But lions? How could i add them...?

Well when you're in worldbuilder the default setting is on add units, the default unit is lion, and the default civ is Egypt, so all you have to do is click once for an Egyptian lion to appear.

 

[corovanrobber]

And btw, judging by your login "corovanrobber", can I ask you: ty sluchayno ne iz nashih?

I shall answer you, then: eto kak raz dlya teh, kto v teme.

 

[Akbarthegreat]

Tried Babylonia on Monarch today, got all the techs and........
Beijing got to size 8, even babylon was 8, 1 turn to to 9 grow and.........................

Spoiler :

UHV FAILED!!!!!

 

[spaceman98]

The Babylon UHV is very hard. I never did it (though I am not very good at accomplishing UHVs in general)

 

[Akbarthegreat]

The Babylon UHV is very hard. I never did it (though I am not very good at accomplishing UHVs in general)

You have to be ready to fail a whole lotta times- requires determination and I don't have much of it

 

[zbelg]

Test2 - Writing at 26 turn - win

Well then, it's not really impossible, is it?

Babylon requires patience and luck, but fortunately, it's easy to try again if you fail because you learn very early if you've been beaten. I'd assume that the difference on Viceroy is just the side effect of a minor AI tweak that makes China more likely to go straight for Writing.

 

[PGM]

There's definitely something wrong with the Babylon scenario.
Tech race was fairly easy, but now it's turn 87, my city is size 11, with 5000 culture (Beijing comes next, with size 6 and 160 culture). So why no win?

First to 3 techs: YES
Most cultural: NO
Most populous: NO

 

[DarkThunder]

There's definitely something wrong with the Babylon scenario.
Tech race was fairly easy, but now it's turn 87, my city is size 11, with 5000 culture (Beijing comes next, with size 6 and 160 culture). So why no win?

First to 3 techs: YES
Most cultural: NO
Most populous: NO

Your city is Ashur not Babylon as required.

But I'm amazed, how could it be possible to build all that your have built to turn 87??!