Space-3 discussion thread

[Karasu]

SO! After all, you are *not* immune to pleads...
...but now I feel guitly for all the work you went through for us

Well, my preference:
1. (ex-aequo) K-Spain, V-Dutch4
2. (ex-aequo) Z-Mongols, Y-Korea
3. P-England

Ops, it's five starts

And why these, you are going to ask. Well, I don't know. I kind of liked them...

Actually, it is a mix of civs I'd like to play and starting positions that look reasonably good (then who knows, maybe it's a 10-tiles island in the middle of the ocean with all the AIs on a lush Pangaea...).
So, Spain and Dutch seemed to me the best combination -at a first impression, I must say.

Mongols and Korea are there for honesty: it was me to ask you for Z-Zulus and for a 4-food bonus start. So, I was obliged. Still, they are at least 'interesting' starts, so to speak...

And England, well you know that England has always been in my heart.

 

[a space oddity]

[...]Mongols and Korea are there for honesty: it was me to ask you for Z-Zulus and for a 4-food bonus start. So, I was obliged. Still, they are at least 'interesting' starts, so to speak...

Indeed, I've put those 2 in just for you (to get to the magic letter), so I'm glad you picked them.

So the tally after 2 team members voted is:
K - Spain - 4 points
T - England - 4 points
V - Dutch4 - 3 points
N - Greece - 2 points
Y - Korea - 2 points
Z - Mongols - 2 points

 

[mad-bax]

I like the Byzantine start.

The Carthage start could be OK so long as we can find some shields from somewhere. And the greek start is good too.

The four wheat start would raise a few eyebrows, and that is the only one I would not consider.

 

[a space oddity]

OK, so why the Byzantines?

The current tally:
K - Spain - 4 points
T - England - 4 points
J - Byzantines - 3 points
N - Greece - 3 points
V - Dutch4 - 3 points
O - Carthage - 2 points
Y - Korea - 2 points

Votes cast by bed_head, Karasu and MB, still to vote: NP, Ainwood and Space

ps - don't worry, the wheat start is a joke. It was produced along with the other starts though, same settings.

 

[mad-bax]

I like the Byzantine start because it has enough shields + all the obvious reasons. I don't like a seafaring civ as a Sid Civ though.

Any of the starts could be OK or disastrous. You need to play 30 turns into a Sid game to see if they just decide to kill you or not.

NP is right about playing in really. I would just prefer to find out its a hopeless case and try the next start, until we get a playable position.

 

[Northern Pike]

I'm a fundamentalist about settler factories, so my choices are

1. T-Celts,

2. R-Dutch, and

3. X-Sumerians.

The Sumerian start is interesting in that there can hardly be another civ to the south, so we'd be guaranteed a little room to expand in that direction.

Edit: T is a Celtic start, not an English, so there's some confusion in the posts above.

 

[a space oddity]

Thanks for pointing that out, the T in my former summaries should be P.

The currenp pally:
K - Spain - 4 poinps
P - England - 4 poinps
J - Byzanpines - 3 poinps
N - Greece - 3 poinps
T - Celps - 3 poinps
V - Dupch4 - 3 poinps
O - Carphage - 2 poinps
R - Dupch - 2 poinps
Y - Korea - 2 poinps
X - Sumeria - 1 poinp


Voted: BH, Karasu, MB, NP, still to vote Ainwood, Space

Re Settler factories: will we have time to set one up before room to expand runs out? I am a complete n00b to this level so I don't claim certainty but I have my doubts.

 

[Northern Pike]

Re Settler factories: will we have time to set one up before room to expand runs out? I am a complete n00b to this level so I don't claim certainty but I have my doubts.

A fair question. I've used settler factories with good success at Sid, but then I usually start on an island. I do feel, though, that getting to +5 food is tremendously useful whether circumstances permit a by-the-book, four-turn settler factory or not.

 

[Karasu]

The 't' or "all" 't's ?

Well, I did like the Carphage and the Celps sparp too, so -as I said already- it doesn't really mapper which one we pick in the end.

Actually, I like the idea of ranking them and playing them in sequence -until we win or we die, of course

 

[ainwood]

I'm fine on all of the top options - never played sid before, so I don't really know much about this....

I like the idea of Celts though, mainly because agricultural is excellent, and the gallic swordsmen is a good UU. Am a bit concerned about a despotic GA though, but its better than having a defensive UU.

 

[a space oddity]

Ok, translated your choices as follows
Celts - 3
Spain - 2
England - 2

So the current tally is:
K - Spain - 6 points
P - England - 6 points
T - Celts - 6 points
J - Byzantines - 3 points
N - Greece - 3 points
V - Dutch4 - 3 points
O - Carthage - 2 points
R - Dutch - 2 points
Y - Korea - 2 points
X - Sumeria - 1 point

I'll cast the final vote in a few hours and we'll have our final list. I'll put up a new thread with the start after that. I'm planning on doing a bit of spreadsheet accounting on the starting tiles - an absolute first for me... !

 

[Karasu]

You know, I tried myself to set up such a spreadsheet, then grew too lazy to use it... But I would be interested in seeing what you have in mind.

 

[a space oddity]

U - France
They're my favorite because I want a shot at using them to see whether they really are that shields production wizards. They start in a position where we can hopefully build a full core instead of a half one.

X - Sumeria
IMHO the best start, a good civ too, a bit of an early UU but that need not be a problem.

And finally, to have a clear winner, my final vote goes to....
K (formarly known as T) - England

So the final tally is:
P - England - 7 points
K - Spain - 6 points
T - Celts - 6 points
J - Byzantines - 3 points
N - Greece - 3 points
V - Dutch4 - 3 points
U - France - 3 points
X - Sumeria - 3 points
O - Carthage - 2 points
R - Dutch - 2 points
Y - Korea - 2 points

Spreadsheet is still in the making, in fact I haven't even started yet...
I'll start a separate game thread as bit later. We'll keep this one, for further discussion, in case a new game is needed... :suicide:

 

[Karasu]

And finally, to have a clear winner, my final vote goes to....
K (formarly known as T) - England

Ehm... Did you mean K-Spain or P-England? Or both?

 

[a space oddity]

Krtsdf hasdt jksudt? Shdfbryt hdfuie!

Space <-- hopefully less confused after some sleep... that's what you get when you post in a hurry. I finished cotm10 today, and my husband was getting a bit cranky already with me being 'absent' for most of the day...

 

[a space oddity]

The proper game thread can be found here.