Space Colonization modmod

[pepper2000]

I don't know about that, but the way it is set up now, entropy is reversed by pulling in energy from a parallel universe and dumping waste heat into another parallel universe, so technically it still doesn't get around the second law of thermodynamics over the whole multiverse.

 

[Faustmouse]

But doesn't make this sense if you colonized the whole multiverse? I mean, it very well could... Multiverses can have slightly different natural constants, making them inhabitable to anything consisting of atoms for example. These could be heat dumps. But all in all it is very speculative nevertheless

On a sidenote, I think Black Holes are broken; I can't see them (graphics) nur are they labeled when I hover over the tile. I know they must be there since I placed them via worldbuilder. Can you get the graphics for them from the Final Frontier mod? Maybe more, so the Star Systems look "better" as well?

 

[tmv]

Multiverses can have slightly different natural constants

That's Tegmark's Level II Multiverse (cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse). This term can have many different meanings.

 

[pepper2000]

On a sidenote, I think Black Holes are broken; I can't see them (graphics) nur are they labeled when I hover over the tile. I know they must be there since I placed them via worldbuilder. Can you get the graphics for them from the Final Frontier mod? Maybe more, so the Star Systems look "better" as well?

I am pretty sure this is caused by the terrain behind at too high a layer and covering the black hole. It's on my list of things to figure out. Good idea on space terrain graphics; I will take a look.

 

[raxo2222]

What about Libray of Babel world wonder?
It could be late transcendent world wonder, that would give massive boost to research and culture in entire empire somewhere at transfinite computation
If you have infinite memory and processing power, then with ease you could generate and find anything you wanted including bazilion versions of this mod
Lets say we have picture that has 16 milion pixels in it. Each pixel can have any color defined by RGB - 255^3 that is 16 milion.
This means there is 16 000 000 ^ 16 000 000 possible states. This is a lot, but patient Cosmic civilization can wait and it has time travel anyway.
Transcendental civilizations has even more nice hacks.

 

[pepper2000]

Interesting idea. I'll put it on the list. Although, a library that has everything would be worthless, for in order to find an item in the library, you need an index that is of the same size as the item you are looking for.

 

[Thunderbrd]

Interesting idea. I'll put it on the list. Although, a library that has everything would be worthless, for in order to find an item in the library, you need an index that is of the same size as the item you are looking for.

Unless everything that exists IS that library already.

 

[raxo2222]

Interesting idea. I'll put it on the list. Although, a library that has everything would be worthless, for in order to find an item in the library, you need an index that is of the same size as the item you are looking for.

If you can go on exponentially without limit, then any number looks like ln of that number
If this was physical place, then zeptobots would multiply every zeptosecond indexing everything.
We are talking about cosmic/transcendent civilization, that clearly breaks any limits with ease - this is when we have highly speculative physics, mathematics, informatics and philosophy
Even grahams number doesn't look too large after you research transfinite computation - one of few techs before end of time.

 

[tmv]

Unless everything that exists IS that library already.

And every book, every picture and every movie is simply a (mind-boggingly) huge number - just consider the respective txt, jpg or mp4 file as the 256base-representation.

And would this do anything to copyright if a newly released book was already "somewhere" in the Babel library? It exists already, by the way: https://libraryofbabel.info/referencehex.html - so, not so much "late transcendent" as "late information".

 

[raxo2222]

And every book, every picture and every movie is simply a (mind-boggingly) huge number - just consider the respective txt, jpg or mp4 file as the 256base-representation.

And would this do anything to copyright if a newly released book was already "somewhere" in the Babel library? It exists already, by the way: https://libraryofbabel.info/referencehex.html - so, not so much "late transcendent" as "late information".

Its more of concept showing how it works - you could show concept of it with sticks and stones in prehistoric era
I meant finding useful stuff in babel library in sane time

 

[tmv]

in sane time

You don't need transfinite computation for that - time travel does the same thing (comes a bit earlier IIRC): Just have a time loop the computer passes a lot of times (perhaps you need enough room for that, but that shouldn't be a problem at this point). And depending on whom you ask "even" a quantum computer might be enough.

 

[raxo2222]

You don't need transfinite computation for that - time travel does the same thing (comes a bit earlier IIRC): Just have a time loop the computer passes a lot of times (perhaps you need enough room for that, but that shouldn't be a problem at this point). And depending on whom you ask "even" a quantum computer might be enough.

Transfinite computation was for infinite storage
Thats why I gave two options: Time Travel for effectively infinite processing power and Transfinite computation for true infinitely powerful computers

 

[raxo2222]

It seems like education property pseudobuildings are in space too - basically both crime fighting and education buildings would be nice in them.

 

[pepper2000]

It seems like education property pseudobuildings are in space too - basically both crime fighting and education buildings would be nice in them.

Thanks for the reminder. This is one of those things that I have been meaning to investigate for a long time but haven't gotten around to. The simplest solution would be to turn them all into Earth only, since developing property management in space would be a significant task that I am not ready for right now.

 

[raxo2222]

My citizens are suffering from space madness.
Also can't build some military units on Titan.

Spoiler :

I can pretend, that they are abusing less developed civs in Orion Arm and further space zones ;^)
I can see following changelog:
- removed Ctucthlu influence

In all seriousness no one even tried to balance game past Modern era.
Technoanarchists are having way too much fun and pollution is rapidly rising.

 

[Thunderbrd]

Thanks for the reminder. This is one of those things that I have been meaning to investigate for a long time but haven't gotten around to. The simplest solution would be to turn them all into Earth only, since developing property management in space would be a significant task that I am not ready for right now.

If there's population, there's need for property management.

 

[raxo2222]

Especially, that space colonies have much smaller total % modifiers from buildings making them prone to properties just like AI cities

 

[raxo2222]

What about hi-tech "caveman" on Moon and possibly other low gravity places?
https://phys.org/news/2018-01-lava-tube-skylights-north-pole.html#jCp

There are big lava tubes on Moon it seems.

 

[pepper2000]

That would be a fun idea. Domed over lava tubes.

 

[raxo2222]

@pepper2000

It seems like its your territory.
Orbital Prison effect giving +1 health to all cities is bug, that AI CAN'T exploit it at all, as its spawner - national wonder - can be built only in cislunar space and naturally generated maps doesn't have space and rarely anyone reaches second half of game.

Spoiler :

I removed that for myself, hence why it isn't displayed in wiki.

Spoiler :

<!-- Safety (Orbital Prison) -->
<BuildingClass>BUILDINGCLASS_SAFETY_ORBITAL_PRISON</BuildingClass>
<Type>BUILDING_SAFETY_ORBITAL_PRISON</Type>
<Description>TXT_KEY_BUILDING_SAFETY_ORBITAL_PRISON</Description>
<Civilopedia>TXT_KEY_BUILDING_SAFETY_ORBITAL_PRISON_PEDIA</Civilopedia>
<Strategy>TXT_KEY_BUILDING_SAFETY_ORBITAL_PRISON_STRATEGY</Strategy>
<Advisor>ADVISOR_ECONOMY</Advisor>
<!-- Graphical and interface -->
<ArtDefineTag>ART_DEF_BUILDING_SAFETY_ORBITAL_PRISON</ArtDefineTag>
<iMinAreaSize>-1</iMinAreaSize>
<!-- Prerequisites -->
<PrereqTech>TECH_SPACE_COLONIES</PrereqTech>
<!-- Construction cost -->
<iCost>-1</iCost>
<!-- Main effects -->
<CommerceChanges>
<iCommerce>0</iCommerce>
<iCommerce>0</iCommerce>
<iCommerce>0</iCommerce>
<iCommerce>10</iCommerce>
</CommerceChanges>
<!-- Special Health and Happiness modifiers ->
<iGlobalHealth>1</iGlobalHealth>
<!- Specialist effects -->