Maybe it's a browser thing. Anyway, if you do as I told you everyone will see every picture you post
No, the one mixing things here is you. My link shows Catalonia's debt (which is 38.530 milions), not Catalonia's fiscal deficit, that's two completely different things. Catalonia's budget deficit
peaked in 2008 with 22.000 milions according to governmental projections, in 2009 (the last year with available data, before that we have to use the data frm 2005 and make approximations by taking in account each year's cash flow)
it was reduced to 16.500 milions due to the crisis, not because the government decided to reduce it, but because the crisis destroyed in 2008 and 2009 a good share of Catalonia's economy. However, our fiscal deficit went from 10% to 8%, that's still a lot and what's more: Catalonia's deficit has always been like that.
BTW, if you think that many companies having their tax domicile in Madrid doesn't pervert the data showing its alleged fiscal deficit you really need to learn the basics of fiscal policy.
It's true that the central administration has a bigger spending but keep in mind that Catalonia has a massive fiscal deficit. If Spain had a law like in Germany were no Land can't have more than a 4% of its GDP of fiscal deficit Catalonia wouldn't need to increase it deficit because it could afford everything its own needs. So please, look for the causes of events before using them as arguments.
BTW, if everything is Catalonia's fault, then how come we are
cutting our spending while
other autonomies are increasing it? How is that possible?
And useless airports. Don't pretend you didn't read that. Please, I'd like to listen to your arguments in favor of
spending 1.100 milions in Ciudad Real's airport or
spending 58 milions of € yearly on the maintenance of the empty airport of Castellón, among others.
No. Everything that I made clear is is that I don't like stupid spending and that I want a high speed net based on economical criteria. For comparison, this is how a net of a country that organizes its high speed net following economical criteria looks like:
Red is super-high speed lines, yellow is high speed lines and blue is previously existing lines that have been upgraded to high speed lines. Grey are fast lines (not high speed). Now compare this map with the Spanish map I posted before and answer me the following questions:
Which high speed net do you think has been cheaper?
Which high speed net connects economically relevant cities and which one doesn't?
Which high speed net has only upgraded previously existing lines and which one has made them anew (with the higher cost this represents)?
Which high speed net follows a radial design (having an axis in the center) and which one only takes in account the local geography in its design?
Which high speed net has a line that costed 3.500 milions of € only to connect two cities with less that 60.000 inhabitants with the capital city for less than six months (
here's a hint)?
And no, I've nothing against Zamora's prosperity and I personaly think that the North-West line, unlike others, makes sense. All I was saying is that in the context of crisis the state cannot afford keep paying the cost of building the Noth-West line, which means that its construction should have been immediately halted. Instaed of this, the government has decided to build it to the "metropolis" of Zamora.
So no. My protests are due to a stupid squandering of money in a high speed net that is extremely expensive and most of it is useless as we already saw this summer with the Toledo-Cuenca-Albacete line and not due to "money being not spent in Catalonia".
Yes, I know what does it mean. That's why everytime you try to make look like a "brainwashed" or "selfish" nationalist that "is against Zamora's prosperity" all I can say is that you're an strawman addict.
So it basically impossible... because you say so. Now that's what I call a powerful argument
You forgot 2008.
Well, I hope that eduhum's and Thorgalaeg's last posts help foreigners understand something that I've been saying in this board for a long time but I couldn't prove due to a lack of unionists to talk to (good thing that now we have eduhum and Thorgalaeg): That they like telling you what's going to happen because... they're in charge and we are not and they know best than we do.
It doesn't matter that Belgium has been more than a year with a government, it doesn't matter that a referendum for independence is one of Scotland's main political topics, it doesnt matter that 20 years ago 9 1/2 members of the EU were part of the Warsaw Pact just 20 years ago (three of them being even part of the USSR itself) and of course it doesnt matter that most Catalans and Basques support nationalist and secessionist parties. No fact matters, all that matters is that they know it's impossible just because they say so.
That's what we secessionists call PIPS (Post-Imperial Paternalistic Syndrome) and in
this post written by Thorgalaeg in the first page you can not only smell it, but also taste its repulsive flavor.
OMG! The catastrophical and, in fact, apocalyptic Catalan and Basque independences are coming! That would mean that the western civilization is gone! I'm not fear mongering at all! [/sarcasm]
BTW, if there's no solid and persistent support, how come Basque and Catalan nationalist and secessionist parties have always been the most voted parties in autonomical elections?
As Arwon already said and Traitorfish pointed out, historical events are unpredictable and highly likely peaceful referendums and secessions in Europe like Belgium and Scotland may change everything (in fact they have already changed a lot in the Basque country the last months with the appearance of Bildu). BTW, I'm seeing the rest of the western world getting involved in Spain's internal affairs right now, so don't tell me that "it's not that likely".
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Indeed it is extremely unlikely and many things should change. And i want to make it clear that even seeing it like something short-sighted, counter-productive and absurd in this our 21th century i would not go against independence of any territory if there is an important majority supporting it (i am not speaking about a temporal o coyuntural majority but a solid unquestionble majority persistent in time). 
Also repeating what seccessionist is the majority is not going to make it true. Lets see result of ERC (the seccesionist party of Catalonia results last years...)
