We did also see units with the Norman banner fighting units with Spain's flag.
Speculating on (Historical) Civ Progression
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Thenewwwguy
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oh i missed that, never mind then, disregard
also, to throw my hat in the ring:
Indus River Valley -> Chola/Tamils -> India
Would be neat, but even freed from the need for leaders, I'm not sure Civ will add archaeological cultures like HK did.
Thenewwwguy
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valid, but for what it’s worth, some can be much better than others, and egypt to songhai to buganda is ridiculous no matter what way you cut it, and even if egypt have the better abbassid option.
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true, but one can hope. Could also do an older Tamil kingdom like Pallavas leading into the Cholas, or Vijayanagara as another Middle option. Kingdom of Mysore led by Tipu Sultan could be another cool Modern era civ.
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Baseless speculation is what I'm all about, yo!
I imagine that China will go through three dynastic stages, and that we may get something similar for Japan as well.
I picture Celts or Gaul in the game as forerunners to the Normans, most likely.
I think (or maybe just hope?) that Rome will lead to a Renaissance (excuse me, Exploration Age) Italian civ like Florence (which could itself lead to a Modern Age Argentina, maybe?) Modern Age America could potentially arise from Normans, Netherlands, or Shawnee, or as I've seen elsewhere, might just be something like "Found at least six settlements on a different continent from your Capitol's to unlock" if you're not Ben Franklin.
South East Asia is wide open, as far as I can tell. I believe we've seen Borobudur and Angkor Wat as wonders, but that doesn't necessarily tell us anything yet.
I imagine that China will go through three dynastic stages, and that we may get something similar for Japan as well.
I picture Celts or Gaul in the game as forerunners to the Normans, most likely.
I think (or maybe just hope?) that Rome will lead to a Renaissance (excuse me, Exploration Age) Italian civ like Florence (which could itself lead to a Modern Age Argentina, maybe?) Modern Age America could potentially arise from Normans, Netherlands, or Shawnee, or as I've seen elsewhere, might just be something like "Found at least six settlements on a different continent from your Capitol's to unlock" if you're not Ben Franklin.
South East Asia is wide open, as far as I can tell. I believe we've seen Borobudur and Angkor Wat as wonders, but that doesn't necessarily tell us anything yet.
As DLC or expansion, I agree, but perhaps not in the base game.
Given the importance of their respective markets, early three-age representation (if not on release then soon after) for all of China, Korea, and Japan seems likely to me.
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Maurya to Nepal is likely fine, but Bhutan is more of a Tibetan culture and Bhutan has been responsible for the ethnic cleansing of its Nepalese population so I don’t think either would like being connected to the other.
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The "Norman banner" also became the banner of the Kings of England (for obvious reasons), before being mixed with the french fleur-de-lys when the English kings claimed France (I trust we all understand why they would not take the fleur de lys version for England?) so while it confirms that there is a post-conquest English Exploration civ (like we needed that confirmation), it says a lot less about their actual name.
I certainly hope that at least the assinine decision of England as the modern civ was speculation oO. Whether you call the exploration civ England (as you should) or Norman (if you must), there's no reason to call the *modern* one English when Great Britain/British is there.
I certainly hope that at least the assinine decision of England as the modern civ was speculation oO. Whether you call the exploration civ England (as you should) or Norman (if you must), there's no reason to call the *modern* one English when Great Britain/British is there.
Thenewwwguy
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Southeast Asia is prob the biggest benefactor from this new system both for representation and also REASONABLE representation because of how these kingdoms have directly led into others
Sukhothai -> Ayyuthaya -> Siam
Lan Na -> Lan Xang -> Laos (prob all three are too obscure)
Champa -> Vietnam is a good exploration to modern one, tho likely controversial
Sukhothai -> Khmer -> Siam, also probably slightly controversial but doable
If there is no Portugal or indigenous civilization in the base game, then it is highly likely that Brazil comes from the Incas or Spain (speculating that Brazil is in the base game). Spain > Brazil is not that nonsense, however.
Speaking of which, what could be the Age 1 of Japan? Yayoi?
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Jomon or Ainu even could potentially fit, tho Ainu would be better as an exploration or even modern civ.
I also don’t love the idea of the Ainu leading into Japan
Based on past civ games, I expect to frequently be frustrated by the names of all the things, and I look forward to more historical naming mods.
Jōmon?
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Dynamic place names was civ 6’s best mod, change my mind
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Had this exact thought. And since I imagine that Firaxis, having been developing this game since the pre-pandemic days, has also had the thought that we all immediately had about the messed-upedness of indigenous civs "evolving" into the civs that colonized them, I doubt we'll see that here, which means I doubt we'll see Ainu here.
I think it will be Yamato, representing Iron age Japan. With Kofun influences and maybe the Izumo taisha as a wonder.
Then a smooth transition to Sengoku/Edo in exploration age and modern Japan in modern age.
Similarly I think Korea will be Baekje, to Joseon with the turtle ships, and then Modern Korea with cultural focus.
Then a smooth transition to Sengoku/Edo in exploration age and modern Japan in modern age.
Similarly I think Korea will be Baekje, to Joseon with the turtle ships, and then Modern Korea with cultural focus.
Tomatekh's Historical Religions.
There's already hints it's Silla.
Modern Korea will almost certainly be all science, all day because that's how they like to think of themselves.
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have we also considered the possibility that some civs won’t have historical paths all the way through? It might be more respectful, for example, for exploration age Shawnee to have no historic path, or use a thematic/geographic feature path like Egypt to Songhai (perhaps another, more recent indigenous culture which has resisted its colonizers), than lead into the US
Yamato is also the name of the major Japanese ethnicity, since this is the population they directly descend from. Pro is continuity, con is there might not be as much distinction compared to Jomon.
Bonus is Goguryeo can function more comfortably in Antiquity compared to Baekje and Silla
Yamato is also the name of the major Japanese ethnicity, since this is the population they directly descend from. Pro is continuity, con is there might not be as much distinction compared to Jomon.
As much as Korea is a big market, idk if it’ll get one in all three. In civ 4 we got Goguryeo, then Civ 5 Joseon, and Civ 6 Silla. Since Goguryeo fully united the peninsula temporarily, and hasn’t been highlighted in a while, if we are getting one in all three, I would like to see Goguryeo again rather than Baekje. Could be interesting too—Military to Science/Cultural to Cultural/Industrial
Bonus is Goguryeo can function more comfortably in Antiquity compared to Baekje and Silla
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