Star Trek Nemesis

[kobayashi]

It never came to HK (because of SARS?) and I finally got to see the DVD. Special effects were nice but what a disappointment for everything else.

Seemed like a rip off of the TWOK story.
warp drive inoperative, fighting blind in Nebula finale.
second male lead sacrifices himself to save the ship.
baddie has a weapon which destroys planets.

Obviously the people in charge, especially the cript writers, have no connection to the mainstream trek community.

How can Remans be ugly looking creatures when they were all colonized by Vulcans originally?

No one would seriously believe a human could become the Romulan preator.

Did anyone bother to remember that they don't use wheeled vehicles anymore

In the best star tek tradition, the captain should have had a secret tactical manouver to save the day (would would never fully work). The Picard manouver, the Prefix Code ..whatever. Here they could have kept the Romulan allies as reserves or something.

Why did they suddenly start using inferior photon torpedoes again?

Since when did federation starships have all human crews (Worf is technically not of a fedeation race).


Much of the movie was illogical. They beauty of the TV series and TOS movies was that they tried to make everything realistic. Clearly not so here.

Why didn't the Warbirds use their cloaks instead of flying around like sitting ducks?

Why didn't they ram the Scimitar a second time? Why not try to ram a warp necelle the first time instead of head on? Why not self-destruct while they were connected.

If they could transport picard aboard at the end, why not transport a bomb?

Did Shinzan really think a boarding party of a few guys could overpower the crew of 500 and capture the captain?

 

[LesCanadiens]

Voyager, Enterprise, Insurrection, and Nemisis were all crap. Thank god for DS9 reruns.

 

[John-LP]

I cherish the few good movies we had and the excellent Original and Next Generation Series...pretty much anything beyond TNG/DS9 and for movies, First Contact was, in fact, crap! Why? I`ve said it before. Characters/Actors. Nothing has matched Picard, Kirk, Spock, etc, not like its possible, but these new series have horrible characters/actors, with the exception of Scott Bacula, I heard he is great.

 

[sprnv8]

Originally posted by kobayashi
It never came to HK (because of SARS?) and I finally got to see the DVD. Special effects were nice but what a disappointment for everything else.

Seemed like a rip off of the TWOK story.
warp drive inoperative, fighting blind in Nebula finale.
second male lead sacrifices himself to save the ship.
baddie has a weapon which destroys planets.

Obviously the people in charge, especially the cript writers, have no connection to the mainstream trek community.

How can Remans be ugly looking creatures when they were all colonized by Vulcans originally?

The Vulcans were ugly creatures also.


Did anyone bother to remember that they don't use wheeled vehicles anymore

They have wheeled vehicles, just don't use them unless every thing else is used.

In the best star tek tradition, the captain should have had a secret tactical manouver to save the day (would would never fully work). The Picard manouver, the Prefix Code ..whatever. Here they could have kept the Romulan allies as reserves or something.

In the movie he could not use that, because he was fighting himself, only one that choose I different path in life.

Why did they suddenly start using inferior photon torpedoes again?

Can't answer this one, something different I guess

Since when did federation starships have all human crews (Worf is technically not of a fedeation race).

In all the Trek movies I watched (which is just about all of them) they never had an all Human Crew. Even back when Kirk was around.


Much of the movie was illogical. They beauty of the TV series and TOS movies was that they tried to make everything realistic. Clearly not so here.

**** dude, take all the movies that was made of Star Trek and rewatch them, then come back and tell me which ones looked realistic. I think the one of today are far more realistic.
And as for Nemesis how can you say it don't look realistic,
Have you ever seen a photon torpedoe?

Why didn't the Warbirds use their cloaks instead of flying around like sitting ducks?

That was pretty stupid of them.

Why didn't they ram the Scimitar a second time? Why not try to ram a warp necelle the first time instead of head on? Why not self-destruct while they were connected.

Too much time, they didn't have the energy.
The Warp Cell is in the back again too much time, too far away.
If you listened to the movie he tried that but was inoperable.

If they could transport picard aboard at the end, why not transport a bomb?

The tranporters were ofline, the device Picard had was an emergency transporter.
The enemy thought like Picard, so Picard had to do something that not of Picard or something he wouldn't normaly do.

Did Shinzan really think a boarding party of a few guys could overpower the crew of 500 and capture the captain?

That was also pretty stupid.

In my opinion the movie was Bad Ass

 

[Richard III]

Sucked. But the reason that Picard couldn't use any clever maneuvers in the nebula was because otherwise, they couldn't have the first known case of a Starfleet Captain scoring a date with a hussy Romulan chick while on red alert in a battle zone. And THAT almost saved the movie.

However, I agree: the biggest disappointment was the basis for the plot itself, e.g. the idea that the Remans were something different somehow; just didn't jive with anything, ditto the weak plot; as I said elsewhere, do the math:

Picard:
Saves the federation from the second Borg onslaught
Did something useful that I can't remember in Generations
Gets virtually every significant mission known to man
Is considered so important by enemies that the Cardassians, the Romulans and the Borg all design their attack plans around his capture;
Leads the fleet to victory (with Data's assist, of course) in its intervention in the Klingon Civil War, and
Explores half the galaxy,

...and yet in movie four for him, he's still just a Captain

Janeway:
Gets lost in the Delta quadrant and ekes out an existence, has one series,

...and is an admiral.

John LP, some of your other views are tough to swallow, but dissing First Contact is just unacceptable. Sure, it wasn't Hamlet or anything, but sometimes, a movie is all about the look and feel. Just look at Blade Runner, for example. It's not like Deckerd is a deep character; that's not the point...

R.III

 

[Immortal]

I dont care what anyone says, First contact was good. If I hadnt seen that movie in theaters with my uncle, I would never have developed an interest in sci-fi after that.

Ricky 3: I guess starfleets "enlightened" values care more about exploration and writing detailed log entries then actions. That and destroying the borg probably helped her.

I will however admit this: starfleet blows, Id rather be a member of the vidiians then that bunch of self-righteous losers.

 

[Richard III]

Originally posted by Immortal
Ricky 3: I guess starfleets "enlightened" values care more about exploration and writing detailed log entries then actions. That and destroying the borg probably helped her.

I was never crystal clear on whether that actually happened or not, since I was so upset at the cheese factor of the time-loop series finale that I didn't watch all of it. "All Good Things" handled time travel thoughtfully (although it took me 20 seconds to figure out "the dilemma" so I don't know what happened to Starfleet's brains). But Voyager? I expected a decent arrival, a genuine meeting of starfleet types with a touch of history to it. Instead, just another mishmash excuse for cliches...

R.III

 

[Immortal]

DS9 had the best ending off all the series hands down.

even if Jadzia was dead and missed it

I was a little surprised that Worf's grieving didnt seem to ever actualy make it onto the show.

 

[Junzi Nicuzn]

There was that episode where he, Bashir, O'Brien, and Quark went on that mission to get her into Sto-Vo-Kor. But other than that they sorta glance over it.

 

[napoleon526]

Originally posted by Immortal
I was a little surprised that Worf's grieving didnt seem to ever actualy make it onto the show.

Klingons don't grieve, foolish human!

BTW, what happened in the DS9 finale?

 

[Junzi Nicuzn]

The Dominon lost
Sisko joins the Prophets is some fashion.
O'Brien leaves DS9 for a teaching position at the Academy (I think)
Odo leaves to cure his people of the Changeling Disease
Worf becomes an Ambassador to the Klingon Empire
The rest stayed (I think)

Thats the nutshell. A more in-depth description and any corrections will have to come from someone else

 

[polymath]

'All Good Things' was the best star trek ever, IMO. Certainly the best Q episode.

Nemesis blew chunks. Just a load of rubbish, like when Shinzen cut his arm so they could test his blood. NBG, IMO.

 

[napoleon526]

Was there ever a big battle against the Dominion and Cardassians?

 

[Junzi Nicuzn]

EDIT. Yes.
Misread your post

 

[Immortal]

yes, in the first part of the last episode the cardies switch sides on the dominion. The dominion then decrees that "all cardassian life will be extinguished" or something like that. They would have suceeded had it not been for Odo.

 

[napoleon526]

I missed the last few seasons of DS9. When was the wormhole destroyed? Who destroyed it?

 

[Immortal]

nobody destroyed it. It became the focal point for the entire show after the prophets met with sisko.

 

[Junzi Nicuzn]

napoleon526
I missed the last few seasons of DS9.

Oh man. You missed the best seasons of DS9. You should watch those ASAP.

 

[napoleon526]

Whatever happened with the Maquis?

 

[Immortal]

voyager put a stop to that. in their first episode.