Star TREK or WARS?

[FearlessLeader2]

Tell that to all the yahoos that list Jedi Knight as their religion on surveys and census reports.

Like it or not, people are the same as the monkeys some say we descended from:

Moron see, moron do.

 

[IglooDame]

Originally posted by FearlessLeader2
No matter how you 'take' it, Anakin does vile deeds and is rewarded with his culture's version of heaven.

This fictional contstruct blurs the line between good and evil so far that a person who does evil is not even known by their 'good' name. They become another entity, and only that entity is blamed for bad deeds.

Basically, Anakin is not to blame for anything. In fact, Anakin can't be blamed for anything 'he' did, because it was all that nasty Vader guy, not him.

Moral of the SW saga?: Do all the bad stuff you want, just called yourself Darth something while you do it. Later you can repent and go back to your regular name and everyone will think you're a great guy again. Actions need no consequences.

You seem to be focusing on the name-change issue. It is a fact that in Christianity one can be a mass-murderer and if one (truly) repents and accept Jesus as one's Savior on one's deathbed, one would be assured of a place in heaven, right?

 

[Zarn]

Originally posted by FearlessLeader2
Tell that to all the yahoos that list Jedi Knight as their religion on surveys and census reports.

Like it or not, people are the same as the monkeys some say we descended from:

Moron see, moron do.

They are poking fun at the religion census.

 

[Dark Ascendant]

Originally posted by FearlessLeader2
No matter how you 'take' it, Anakin does vile deeds and is rewarded with his culture's version of heaven.

This fictional contstruct blurs the line between good and evil so far that a person who does evil is not even known by their 'good' name. They become another entity, and only that entity is blamed for bad deeds.

Basically, Anakin is not to blame for anything. In fact, Anakin can't be blamed for anything 'he' did, because it was all that nasty Vader guy, not him.

Moral of the SW saga?: Do all the bad stuff you want, just called yourself Darth something while you do it. Later you can repent and go back to your regular name and everyone will think you're a great guy again. Actions need no consequences.

Yes, Vader did bad things, but he did genuinely repent in the end. Does that not deserve a reward? Besides, Luke is the only one alive that knows about his redemption. The rest of the galaxy, still think of him as the evil Sithlord andwill villify him as that for generations. So, in the end, what has he gotten away with?

 

[Free Enterprise]

Episode II was a leap off a cliff in terms of reputation for the Star Wars series. The Anakin character well..... is disturbing to say the least. They could have done him way better than that (That guy is supposed to be a powerful jedi?!?!). He is almost a joke now. However the 'incidents' in II seemed more of a temper tantrum than anything else. Perhaps Episode III will repair the reputation? Perhaps Episode III will repair the reputation?

Episode I was not too interesting except the Obi Wan and Qui-Gon vs Darth Maul contest. Episode II could be classified as (must find a way to explain this without causing controversy….) lowering the bar in multiple ways........

4,5 and 6 were ok however lacked sufficient Jedi aspects (although that was a part of the story line). 3 is supposed to be one of the best so it better be....

What will 7,8 and 9 be about?

 

[Free Enterprise]

Accidental post.

Edit:
Nevertheless Episode III should not be entirely judged on I and II. Perhaps the developers will realized/have realized the problems before it is too late.

 

[privatehudson]

No matter how you 'take' it, Anakin does vile deeds and is rewarded with his culture's version of heaven.

Hmmm, true, but after repenting and atoning. Something that paralells christian belief you might care to note

Moral of the SW saga?: Do all the bad stuff you want, just called yourself Darth something while you do it. Later you can repent and go back to your regular name and everyone will think you're a great guy again. Actions need no consequences.

He died did he not soon after repenting and atoning? If you believe some christian and other beliefs, it's near enough that if you genuinely regret the actions and feel remorse, and believe in Jesus, it's enough to be forgiven. Again, either you're saying that basic christian belief is immoral, or you're saying something highly hypocrtical

 

[FearlessLeader2]

Aaah Crap!!

You're right. Okay, Star Wars is off the hook. It just occurred to me that Vader, by attacking the Emperor, got his butt mortally wounded, and his deathbed conversion was therefore not meaningless, because it wasn't a deathbed conversion, it was a conversion that PUT him on his deathbed.

But Star Trek still sucks!!

 

[Esckey]

I prefer Star Wars, over the other 2(I'm including B5) But I like B5 more then I like Trek. Probably because in Trek they stopped going where no man has gone before a long long time ago. Oh, the holograms room is malfunctioning....again? Just like last week? and 3 weeks before that? Don't get me wrong, I still like trek, some of my favorite quotes are from Trek but the stories are so over used.

Star Wars has villians. Villians you can cheer for. Sure Boba Fett met a tragic end in the movies, but he lives in the books and he's a cold hearted bastard that plans everything.

B5 I can't remember much of B5 I only saw 3/4 of the whole thing and that was 3 years ago.

Trek had villians that always got what they deserved. How many reacurring villians can you name? And I mean villians not just some annoying yutz that always popped uped.


Of all the characters I don't think anyone can forget Darth Vader or Han or Chewie(and in the books Wedge, Wes and Hobbie), neither could they forget Kirk, Spock, Bones, Worf or the Doctor(love how the Doctor carried on Bone's attitude when it came to doing stuff he wasn't suppose to do).

They're pretty much even except for the basic plot. Star Wars the villian usually gets away. Star Trek, reads more like the RCMP, they always get their man

 

[Knowze Gungk]

Originally posted by FearlessLeader2
Tell that to all the yahoos that list Jedi Knight as their religion on surveys and census reports....

And that's different to the yahoos that list Christian, Hindu & Muslim how?

 

[Dark Ascendant]

Originally posted by Free Enterprise
What will 7,8 and 9 be about?

If there will be 7,8,9. How well 3 is going to be will determine that.

 

[IglooDame]

Originally posted by Dark Ascendant


If there will be 7,8,9. How well 3 is going to be will determine that.

I thought Lucas has already said that there won't be any more films after 3. I hope that's the case - there is already so much storyline written for the Star Wars "universe" that whatever goes into the movie is going to trample on existing timelines in the books.

 

[Duke Togo]

III is the last film. That's official.

 

[Dark Ascendant]

Originally posted by Duke Togo
III is the last film. That's official.

Good, the book have more interesting things in them anyway. For example, Grand Admiral Thrawn, the Sun Crusher, Chiss, Yuuahan Vong, etc.

Why the hell couldn't the people at Paramount have done the same thing? Now there's Enterprise, canon-trampling drek.