staznesVIII: A Walk in Hell

[silver 2039]

@Symphony I wanted to buy from you but I never got a confirmation pm? I put orders to buy in my orders. Did you order sale to me?

 

[Symphony D.]

OOC: Everyone who agreed was sent them on the condition payment was delivered, whether they received a confirmation PM or not. In short, yes.

 

[Swissempire]

OOC:Things are getting very tense in this thread, why can't we all get along. Stop ragging on people, people. And I'm sure the Cassus Belli of "Well, i think he's annoying" will be fine

And honestly, i'm sorry if you find actually playing IC annoying.

 

[Icmancin]

The thing is YOU ARE NOT playing IC. Switzerland was NEVER as expansionist or ambitious as you are. You've probly made more diplomatic and international addresses in this thread more than the Swiss have in their entire existence!

 

[ThomAnder]

OOC: Randomly invading France, which was not a threat and decently chummy with the UK at this point

And i suppose you should wait until they become a threat and could beat you in a war then you invade them?

and the counter to the rising power of Prussia in Germany.

What did i have to do with Prussia? I didn't do anything to them!

Relations with Italy weren't terribly shabby either.

They made it shappy

I was halfway tempted to put troops on the Canadian border, since the UK is in the business of just invading people for the hell of it these days.

I'm not THAT crazy

 

[Symphony D.]

OOC: France counters any strong German state. Several were and are developing. The UK's chief goal was maintaining the Balance of Power to ensure their continued hegemony over Europe, not utterly destroying it by invading someone because they smart-mouthed in a diplomatic conference. If the US and USSR nuked each other for every pointed discussion in the UN, we wouldn't be here talking right now.

Anyway, yes, OOC discussion does ruin the game, blah blah blah, I'm done.

 

[Swissempire]

The thing is YOU ARE NOT playing IC. Switzerland was NEVER as expansionist or ambitious as you are. You've probly made more diplomatic and international addresses in this thread more than the Swiss have in their entire existence!

IC=In Character right?

NES= Never Ending Story right?

As I explained, numerous times, We are a) at a turing point in Swiss History, b) I'm playing IC, The C being the Current President of the Federal Council.

AND I don't know where our speaking from, but if you knew ANY Swiss history, you would know they kept out of wars and such by blustering. They have the ability to raise the most troops in the world at any time. In one of the world wars(I think it was the second) they did raise MASSIVE amounts of troops to avoid being invaded. I don't see where your coming from, but again, I apologized if i'm actually playing the game for fun, using a character i'm flushing out in stories, etc. All my actions make sense given the person, place, and time.

 

[Stormbringer]

I appologize Symphony, I did not get a confirmation PM for our deal so I thought it was off. If you are still interrested I would like to do it this coming turn.

 

[Icmancin]

It is a historical NES. You just seem a little to violent to be Swiss. If it was my future NES wand the Swiss were a playable faction, then go right ahead and take over the World. But this is a historical NES. There has to be some semblance of historical properties in it.

The Congress of Vienna in 1815 fully re-established Swiss independence and the European powers agreed to permanently recognise the Swiss neutrality. At this time, the territory of Switzerland was increased for the last time, by the new cantons of Valais, Neuchatel and Geneva.

You are pushing limits and I bet that many European powers do not recognize Swiss neutrality any more.

IC/OOC:We have evidence that could cause massive alarm to the World.

 

[Swissempire]

Violent,violent, I have done nothing, violent. I did everything the Swiss would do. I made a legal treaty, agrued for law OVER violence, was declared war upon by Portugal and only laughed, I have done nothing violent, and i'm not trying to conquer the world. I have no idea what your sniffing but have you even read the thread?

Really, i think you just thought Switzerland was going to be a non-factor, either a flank you didn't have to worry about, or a easy annexation. Well to bad, because seriously, the berating me isn't going to work, making up some more BS everytime isn't going to work. Seriously, go read up on Switzerland if you still doubt, but please, stop being an @$$ and play the game. Its really annoying. I have done nothing wrong.

Edit: SInce the congress of Vienna, a new government and a new consitution have been formed, so technically, nobody does recognize my neutrality Keep trying, i'm sure you'll find something. Thus, we had to proclaim Neutrality in WWI and WWII.

And what is this juicy secret, do tell.

 

[das]

Well on one hand Switzerland has been neutral since 1515, when the French defeated the Swiss at Marignano. On the other hand, now that Europe has definitely gone mad anyway, the Swiss might as well start attacking everyone at whim, things are beyond unrealism now anyway so this NES hasn't much to lose in that regard, whereas it still does have much to gain in originality from such a move.

 

[Icmancin]

I just read the entire Wiki on Switzerland. Please direct to any text where it stats that the 1860s are the turning points of Swiss history. The last war as the 'Civil war' they had in 1848 which created a more centralised Switzerland. The more modern Switzerland. The Vienna Congress was to gaurentee permanent neutrality for the Swiss. That has been violated by recent Swiss actions such as the attempts to purchase 'New Jura.' The Constituiton of 1848 was the beginning of modern Switzerland, internal. It's neutrality had already begun in 1815. If you can, direct me to free text that tells me that this time period is the turning point.

EDIT- Just read das' post. Do what you want, Swiss, do what you want. Just tell what to read and I'll read it. I'm sure France would like to here the secret.

 

[Swissempire]

Well on one hand Switzerland has been neutral since 1515, when the French defeated the Swiss at Marignano. On the other hand, now that Europe has definitely gone mad anyway, the Swiss might as well start attacking everyone at whim, things are beyond unrealism now anyway so this NES hasn't much to lose in that regard, whereas it still does have much to gain in originality from such a move.

I haven' attacked anyone.

And If i'm so neutral, how come i was invade numerous time in the early 1800's? And The congress of Vienna Recognized the Neutrality of the Confederation, but since 1848, i've been a Federation.

 

[das]

I put it to you that 1874, by contrast, MIGHT be considered a turning point of Swiss history. Add a catalyst (in this case, charismatic leader), surround with a war-torn Europe and this is what you can get.

EDIT: Lets put it that was, Swiss - Switzerland didn't attack anybody else since 1515. As for attacking it, well, it was all in good faith and the Swiss didn't really resist or anything, so it doesn't necessarily count.

 

[Icmancin]

It gaurenteed Swiss neutrality. Not just the Confederation's neutrality. Swiss neutrality.

 

[das]

Well, so much for Swiss neutrality then, the Congress of Vienna's decisions have been mostly ignored since June 10th 1815 anyway.

 

[Insane_Panda]

This world is screwed up, and thats all I shall say.

 

[das]

Precisely. So what are overactive Swiss going to change? Might as well let them run loose...

 

[Swissempire]

I just read the entire Wiki on Switzerland. Please direct to any text where it stats that the 1860s are the turning points of Swiss history. The last war as the 'Civil war' they had in 1848 which created a more centralised Switzerland. The more modern Switzerland. The Vienna Congress was to gaurentee permanent neutrality for the Swiss. That has been violated by recent Swiss actions such as the attempts to purchase 'New Jura.' The Constituiton of 1848 was the beginning of modern Switzerland, internal. It's neutrality had already begun in 1815. If you can, direct me to free text that tells me that this time period is the turning point.

EDIT- Just read das' post. Do what you want, Swiss, do what you want. Just tell what to read and I'll read it. I'm sure France would like to here the secret.

What's this secret, it sounds very....Nice?

Anywho, as i stated, 1848, Switzerland becames a Federation.

Alliances with foreign powers, decisions on war and peace, customs, postal services and coinage became federal responsabilities

These responsibelities were granted to the Federal Government. Huh, i thought they were neutral. But is this saying that at the time the prevailing opinion was that Switzerland needed options?

Good Page about Swiss Neutrality

In this you can see that a) the Neutrality of the Current government is not recognized until 1920's, and b)Interal Legislation about said neutrality has not been passed.

A Very Nice site on the matter.

It can give you a very nice sense of the progression of Switzerland. You can see in it as well, that the Swiss react harshly to perceived threats to their independence, mobilizing troops, making flase promises, yadda yadda.

Nice

This is about the time period were in. Switzerland is becoming more progressive AND more reactionary at the same time. Political Parties are emerging, and the Pope gets involved.

Politics and economy got matted to an extent that called for opposition.

What i'm saying is that this opposition thats holding the country together in this history, based on events around the State of Switzerland, is a rise of nationalism and paranoia, instead of a rise of Liberal and Radicalism and openness.

And the Banking laws have yet to be codified, but they are there is spirit. That is according to Wikipedia. But please, i'm tired of argueing, and if you feel the need to reveal to France Plan Desperation, go right ahead.

 

[tommy_toon]

Ugh, too much OOC. Ruining the Nes. Can't we just wait quietly for the update?

::Looks for Reno::