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Story ideas - selling your soul to the Devil.

Mojotronica

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In popular movies and literature, selling your soul to the Devil is as easy as signing a contract in blood.

No additional sin is necessary, which helps justify the typical loophole the temporarily damned protagonist uses to weasel out of the commitment.

Usually these stories are intended as gentle nudges -- the Devil is a big liar who offers you a deal, and when you take it he CAN'T HELP but to break it (because he lies) in a way adheres to the letter of the contract but opens up a slim possibility to escape f/ the deal. And the protagonist reforms and escapes.

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I was thinking that selling your soul should be more final than that -- it should be stated involve something akin to blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, an irredeemable sin.

And as a storytelling device, to hammer home the utter hopelessness of the situation, should involve an act that is terrible in the secular sense as well. Murdering an innocent, for example, in a particularly cruel and grisly way. The audience should not feel sympathy for the signator. At best, they might pity them.

The murder, in effect, is the signature. In this case the Devil should follow through on his promise of material bliss -- but the sinner has the shroud of damnation hanging over his head.

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Conversely, perhaps a good (very bleak, very cynical) story could be built around the idea that EVERYONE who has measurable material success is doomed, having "signed" such a deal by "praying" for it. Only by living a humble, God-faring life could one achieve salvation. In this story it would be easy to sign the pact, but also easy to get out of it, "merely" by rejecting materialism.

An indictment of society.

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Addendum:

I used the term "prayer" in the third example... What I meant by that is that in this story concept, prayer for EXCESS tends to attract the attn of the Devil, and perhaps it will bring about the damning contract if you get what you asked for.

Prayer for humble things -- daily bread, modest income, love, health, a roof over your head... these prayers are (hopefully) answered by God.

The ultimate goal is to end up as close to Zero as possible, when you die. Dying in debt is bad. Dying with lots of toys you didn't need (that got in the way of you and your devotion) is bad. Of course it's impossible to hit zero exactly, but excess should be given to needy people, or invested in institutions that fulfill basic those needs.
 
Perfection --

For purposes of parable three, excessive success indicates a deal w/ the Devil.

Disclaimer: I'm thinking of these things more as story ideas, not as sermons. If you are materialist swine, please do not be offended. :) (Because I am too...) :)
 
I like the murder an innocent thing as a story idea to seal the pact. But the big hole in the story is there are no irredeemable sins (not that all sins are equal).
 
Perfection --

Again, it's not a sermon -- just an idea to base a cool story on. It's agenda would be an indictment of materialism, but that is not my agenda.

To give an alternate example, I consider myself to be environmentally conscious, but if I put my mind to it I could probably find a way to criticize the environmentalist movement w/ a story. Maybe even a very affecting one.

My purpose here is to illustrate ways that a single idea can be used in different ways to send different messages.

So any hypocrisy is beside the point... :)
 
Anyways most movies thatreject materialism aren't going to be produced on a large scale, why you ask? Because Hollywoods run by big business, and thats how they make zee big money!
 
Originally posted by Stile
I like the murder an innocent thing as a story idea to seal the pact. But the big hole in the story is there are no irredeemable sins (not that all sins are equal).

Are you a Christian? Christ said that blasphemy was an unforgivable sin.
 
Originally posted by Stile
I like the murder an innocent thing as a story idea to seal the pact. But the big hole in the story is there are no irredeemable sins (not that all sins are equal).

Got to be lonly in hell then.

Man standing in front of the gate to heaven
"I see you have commited the most evil deads and sins"
"Well, a redeem myself. So sorry I am"
"Ok, go in then"

Perhasp you got to mean it... but then again if the god with all the power can't make you understand what was so horreble with your deads then god is not that powerfull is it.

BTT

I like both stories, the first one about doing an eviel dead to seal your soul would make an great movie.
 
Originally posted by archer_007


Are you a Christian? Christ said that blasphemy was an unforgivable sin.
Yes. But then he forgave Paul who was a blasphemer before his conversion. God has went back on his judgements before. Must be hard to have infinite compassion.
 
Originally posted by archer_007
Are you a Christian? Christ said that blasphemy was an unforgivable sin.
You refer to Verily I say unto you, All their sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and their blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: but whosoever shall blaspheme against the Holy Spirit hath never forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin: because they said, He hath an unclean spirit. Mark 3:28-30 KJV. On one hand it says that all blaspemies may be forgiven, then it excepts one. Exactly what it means to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit is unclear and the subject of much discord. Sufficient to say that there are high and low sins of blasphemy. The high crime is unforgivable IMO because it entails refusing to seek forgiveness.

The problem with contract with the devil stories generally is that they belittle the strength of the adversary. Usually the Devil will be bound strictly to the letter of his contract, where it says clearly The father whose sons you are is the Devil; and you desire to do what gives him pleasure. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand firm in the truth — for there is no truth in him. Whenever he utters his lie, he utters it out of his own store; for he is a liar, and the father of lies. JOHN 8:44 The devil is bound to no contract, so the basis of the stories is itself a deception--a lie.

On the other hand, the devil cannot bind any person. Always there is the choice to turn from sin, repent and accept forgiveness. It is just that true repentance, as apposed to the mere trappings of it, is hard, because it involves admitting fault. Still whatever the devil may say, the oportunity is there to the very end. Recall the thieves on the two crosses next to Jesus. One remained scornful, damning himself in his pride. The other turned at the last minute and so was saved. In all of scripture, he is one of only a handful whom we are told is saved, lest there be any doubt.

J
 
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