STR-03 Viking Traders

[Strauss]

Further everything is nice and quiet and pleased and friendly

The way the world should be

So Qin is our newest trading partner. I don't expect him to sit down peacefully for the rest of the game either.

Will play after dinner.

 

[karr1255]

Quin is a one of the worst backstabbers in the game, at least in vanilla. I bet he will make demands sooner or later, which I would give in to if he isn't in a leading position.

 

[angeleyes]

..... I bet he will make demands sooner or later, which I would give in to if he isn't in a leading position.

I gave him already Alphabet of my own free will When going for Diplomatic Victory i presume we have to give in to (almost) everything.

 

[Pvblivs]

I gave him already Alphabet of my own free will When going for Diplomatic Victory i presume we have to give in to (almost) everything.

Not really. We don't need every vote. We do need the votes of our best friends, if the computers are split in two groups diplomatically, then probably the larger one.

Because when we gift things to worst enemies of them who we want as friends it might be not in our interest. We have to think about it and find out how everyone is related with each other

 

[angeleyes]

Nice job to get us the circumnavigation bonus. For traders, this is a must-have

This is irony i guess, when everything is peace zzzz and quiet you have to do something for a thrill

 

[Pvblivs]

This is irony i guess, when everything is peace zzzz and quiet you have to do something for a thrill

No ironie but it is nice to have something to be proud about. So come on ... after all this is ... well useless but nice!

 

[angeleyes]

this is ... well useless but nice!

When we have to go to war with someone on another continent, it's not useless

 

[Pvblivs]

When we have to go to war with someone on another continent, it's not useless

You warmonger you

Yeah I know. It's good to have the bonus yourself and not the others. And if it comes to such a war it will make it easier for us

 

[Strauss]

Yeah I know. It's good to have the bonus yourself and not the others. And if it comes to such a war it will make it easier for us

Not to mention we have +2 movement in total due to the UB.

Now for my very short report, not even worth uploading the pictures:

Turn 7 (1322): Liberalism comes in. I go for Astronomy as a free tech to enable trade with Qin. It obsoletes the Colossus, but we can take it. Qin can give us Fur, but we have nothing in reserve to give him.

Turn 11 (1346): Qin demands us to cancel deals with Mali. At the moment Mali is a better partner than Qin. I refuse.

Turn 12 (1352): Wang Xizhi (Great Artist) is born in Nidaros. I move him to Timbuktu. I would suggest a Great Work here to claim some more land and get control over Spices to trade to China.
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The Great Artist is standing ready in Timbuktu. It should add a lot of pressure to the Malinese culture which is preventing the city from working northern tiles, and the extra artist I hired should allow us to eventually take over control. It will almost definitely gain control over the Spices (only 35% Indian now). If we do, will Shaka's trade to us be cancelled? Or can we just trade the excess Spices to Qin?

Printing Press will come in next turn. After that, we should get the other economic techs: Guilds, Banking, Economics and Corporation. The free Great Merchant is probably going to Huayna if it hasn't already, but we still need Economics for Free Market. We should probably revolt to Free Religion, Free Market and Free Speech at the same time for the least turns of anarchy. After that, we can beeline to Mass Media rather quickly if we wish.

Dividing the other civs into groups is very hard at the moment. IIRC there is only a conflict between Qin and someone else. All the rest are Cautious, Pleased or Friendly with each other. Asoka will clearly be one of our supporters. Mali could also be bribed into voting for us. Shaka and Huayna are very Pleased towards us as well, even despite religious differences. Tokugawa is also Pleased, but this could change very quickly *if* he goes to war with Asoka in the future. Only Qin doesn't like us, but he probably won't have a lot of friends anyway.

Pvblivs is UP, with karr1255 on deck:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/78327/STR-03_AD-1370.CivWarlordsSave

 

[Pvblivs]

Asoka will only support us as long as we have his Religion. His friendliness comes solely from this.

I've got!

 

[angeleyes]

- why are we creating islamic missionares? No use as long as we has no islamic shrine,
- we need one more university,
- i prefer using the great artist for nationalism.

 

[Strauss]

- why are we creating islamic missionares? No use as long as we has no islamic shrine,
- we need one more university,
- i prefer using the great artist for nationalism.

- once we get to Free Religion it will give us Happy and Research bonuses, and the possibility for Islamic Monasteries which we need to get before Scientific Method
- hopefully Pvblivs can squeeze one in somewhere
- that's a possibility, but Nationalism is cheap for us now (6 turns?). Again up to Pvblivs

 

[Pvblivs]

1376 (1): Printing Press comes in. Selecting Guilds next.

1382 (2): HC completes the Kong Miao.

1394 (4): Mansa Musa asks us to cancel deals with Quin. I don't agree because we have +4 for trade relations with Quin. I think we should not handle Mansa as our friend. Once he changes his religion he will be cautious or annoyed with us.

1400 (5): Shaka completes the Notre Dame. A Great Merchant is born in Cuzco. I gues HC has just discovered Economics...

1406 (6): We discover Guilds, next is Banking.

1424 (9): Banking is in. And now for Economics, I say! (due in 7 turns)

1460 (15): The last 5 beakers to Economics I let to the next one so we can discuss where to go next. I gave Islam into the cultural battle. We should build enough temples to build the Mosque in Timbuktu. We already seem very successful culturally against Mansa. He is down to 62% at our border tiles. Increase the pressure!

Free Markets!!!

Ceterum censo: No Free Religion!

 

[Pvblivs]

Sorry: I joined the Artist into the city. Timbuktu is such a strong site and the artist is the best chance to make something of it.

Islamic missionaries are for the Mosque in Timbuktu. 3 Temples -> One Mosque to give Timbuktu its tiles (peacefully)

 

[Strauss]

Ceterum censo: No Free Religion!

Although I don't know what ceterum censo means, I changed my mind about Free Religion. We should wait with switching to it until enough other civs have changed to it that a state religion isn't worth it anymore. We should still keep on spreading Islam for Monasteries and Mosque(s).

Karr1255 is UP, with Bede on deck

EDIT: Also, what did you trade to Qin?

 

[karr1255]

Got it and will still play tonight, although I'm a little bit intoxicated. That's the fastest moving SG ever.

 

[angeleyes]

This is fast

- you guy's don't care about Oxford,
- you don't care about Micromanaging,
- you don't ask our opponents for their money???

 

[karr1255]

I micromanage as hell, but care about little else.

At least you have someone who puts everything in it's tracks, after everyone had fun warring or whipping.

 

[angeleyes]

I micromanage as hell, but care about little else.

At least you have someone who puts everything in it's tracks, after everyone had fun warring or whipping.

An equal soul

 

[angeleyes]

If we stay buddhist, and don't want to play aggressively, why not convert to Pacifism?