stXNES1; the freshmaker

The party was a wild one as it always is when Sven is around, and it really impressed the Scandinaves that the Teutons could host such an event. The new name plus the additional troops increased the Scandinavian self confidence to such a level as to prepare its army for offensive operations...

But in Scandinave, the expansion brought many new riches to the lands and the populace generally agreed that more expansion was beneficial to all mankind, in perticular the Scandinaves. But the people was frustrated that our neighbours, the northmen, had still not answered our envoys. "Them dirty bastards think they better then us" a local said when asked about our neighbours.

To: Northmen
From: Scandinaves
Now that we changed our name, will you agree to an alliance?

To: Teutons
From: Scandinaves
We would like to sign an alliance with your crazy nation, so how 'bout it?

OOC: How many soldiers can you fit on a boat?
 
From: Northmen
To: Scandinaves


we will agree to a NAP; our nations has enough of its own problems, and we dont need to get drawn into anyone elses....

OOC- 50 men per ship, universal amount unless you reserch a tech incresing it or somthign along thos elines- note, you decide the tech, i decide what, if any benifits come from it
 
Okay. And what about that Wonder stat? Does that mean that we have wonders?

And how do you imagine that technology research rule?

By the way, I think you should have that Christian minority in Visigoth territory as Arianist Christianity. And I thought it was somehow more then 20%.
 
its only 360 AD, give a decade or two for a larger christian minority- Christinty wasnt even a firm holder for the Romans in the region for a long time after the old Polytheistic religon was outlawed in the Roman empire(s)
 
and yes, you can have wonders, W.Rome is already busy building one ;)
 
I still have difficulties understanding the technology aspect. Could you please elaborate on how to research, and give an example of how it would look in a set of orders?

Thanks. :)
 
.:KNAS:. said:
I still have difficulties understanding the technology aspect. Could you please elaborate on how to research, and give an example of how it would look in a set of orders?

Thanks. :)


same as inother NES's , that is to say, tell me, in your orders, what it is your reserching, if you give an order to reserch, you will begin to reserch; activelly saying you reserch it will help spee dup reserch,but generally, even so, dont expect a tech to take less then 5 turns to develop- the dark ages were noted for thier lack of progress, not the shooting forwad of it after all ;) there will be no statisic for how long you have until a tech is reserched, just basically when i feel liek giving it you after alittle while ;) I have not decided if there will be a stat showing what, if any techs you have reserched are
 
I still feel that Arianism is important. It was, after the Fall of Rome, used by the Germannic Dark Age kingdoms to prevent cultural assimilation by Catholic Romans, though the practice was eventually abolished.

Arianism was disapproved by the First Council of Nicea. It quickly lost power in the Roman territory, but, thanks to the Goth Ulfilas (who also created the Gothic writing system), it was spread out amongst the barbarian Germannic peoples - especially the Gothic ones. Considering Ulfilas lived between 310 and 383 AD, it is just the time.

So therefore I think Arianist Christianity should be represented as a religion on it's own, and widespread enough in Goth lands.

Anyway, thanks for telling about the wonders. Will the Search for Elixir of Beer be counted as a legal wonder (+2000 Warband, +3 Army Morale)? :crazyeye: :lol: Actually I am only half-joking.
 
well.... if you rename it to some thing better, mabey along the lines of "Gothic Alchemy" it woudl sounf better, though to be honest those stats seem a bit weird for it... since real life alchemy was, amoung other things, the search fro how to turn lead into gold, gothic alchemy would be the search to turn water to beer... i would guess that, if had happend, even if unsuccesful the tradition fo gothic alchemy would have left the goths with a better economy (importing neded goods, and exporting the things they created) as well as a high cultural value...,

but do what you want- though I will say this, depending on the name, I may minorlly alter some of what the wonder dose- IE; AAminiosn wonder was origionally goign to double all his military, but because it says 'roman reforms: i made it to only the Roman citizen militay would be doubled 9which is still most of his troops regardless, but you get my meaning)
 
if I dont get an order from at least one of the western nations in by about 7:30, dont expect an update
 
Additional Orders:
*VERY SECRET*
-Fortify my borders with the Visgoths/Ostrogoths. All of my military is to fortify at the two locations. If the Alans decided to fortify my border by Crimea, then take out my forces there, and relocate them along the Danube on the border w/ the Visigoths.
 
to eastern rome
from the alani

in these rough times a mpp my be our answer to agressive neighbors
 
To Alania

Certainly. We must stand together!

To Roman League Members
From Eastern Roman Empire

VERY SECRET!
The Visigoths are showing signs of preparing for a major war. Please help us should the problem arise. If not, it shall be Constantinople today, and Rome tommorow. Help fortify your borders with these Rogue states.

To Armenia
From Eastern Roman Empire

How would you like to agree to an MPP?
 
To: E. Roman Empire
From: Armenia

No, the best we can do is a NAP- we wish to secure pur indipence from both you and the Perisans, and as such we cannot ally ourselves with either of you, as your sporradic war in which we are involved have onyl come out to our detriment. if Persia was to show our naiton agrresiion, which it has not under its current King, then your offer would eb accepted.
 
To Armenia

Okay. We agree, good man.
 
I've decided to do an update anyway, regardless of all western europe lack of orders- i will proceed to update how I think they would react to the situation, or, just have them throw a kegger liek I did first update with the people who sent no orders. havent decided yet.
 
The smoke in the crude palace was stifling, accross from rheasus khan sat the 10 new chieftains of the alani, formerly of the northern steppes. Today he would bind them and their people to the alani nation. He stood up and pronounced " let it begin" one by one they approached rheasus and the head shaman. the shaman drew blood and spoke the pledge before the gods that they and all their decendents would be faithfull to the rheasus khan and his decendents. Rheasus in return guaranted the new alani chiefs an equal place in his council and their people full rights as any other citizan of the alani
 
Hedjaz was a kingdom of stark contrasts: fertile coastal plains and barren sands, crashing seas and burning sands, wealthy merchants and nomadic herders -- pagan city dwellers, and the Christian nomads of the northwest.

In the lands northwest of Medina, where the coast of Arabiya is very close to Egypt, the local herders and nomads had routine contact with East Roman traders traveling up and down the Red Sea. In the shifting sands of this land, one feature remained constant -- the small oasis markets, where the desert met the seashore, and where the Bedouin herdsmen bartered for and purchased the goods they needed from Roman-Egyptian merchants. More than mere pots and pans changed hands in these markets -- ideas flowed as freely as the desert sands in a fierce wind.

Perhaps the most revolutionary idea to ever be brought to these lands by the East Romans was that of monotheims. The Egyptian merchants were almost all Christians, some Coptic, some Orthodox; but all shared the common belief in one God and his Son.

Many of the Bedouins who visited these markets and spoke with the Romans had come to adopt Christianity as their religion. To them, the people of the immeasurable and unvarying desert, it seemed unlikely that there was a different god for every object -- in their minds, the small amount of variation in the desert of Hedjaz did not call for such a variation in deities. Rather, it made more sense that one single, almighty God controlled everything -- not to mention, it made praying easier, as with one prayer they could call for rain to drink, grass for their sheep to graze, and good health for their pregnant mare, that they might gain a strong and healthy horse from the birth. All this made monotheism seem like the logical religion for these Arabs.

One such man was named Mohammed. He was a young man, with only a short beard and one single horse. His father had been a shepherd, ad had his father before him, but Mohammed was not the kind to accept the nomadic herding life. The fact was, Mohammed didn't know what he wanted. He was confused, unsure of himself and his path.

And then one day, in an oasis market, he met an Egyptian Christian merchant who taught him about the nature of God. Mohammed realized that his calling in life was that of a holy man, a mystic; but what god to speak for, what religion to preach? Only further confused by this seeming enlightenment, Mohammed traveled south into the mountains of Hedjaz, where he found a great cave. There, in that cave, he meditated for more than a week, pondering the nature of God, the meaning of man's existence, and the proper faith to adhere to.

On the eigth day of his meditation, Mohammed felt into a rapturous dream. In it, he was enveloped in a cloud of fire, and from this fiery bower he heard the voice of God speak to him. "Mohammed," said the voice, "you are the first among your people to realize the true nature of that which cannot be realized. You are the last and final prophet in a long thread of seers, from Ibrahim to Jesus. You, you shall be my Prophet, and shall spread my word throughout the world. You alone know the Divine Truth; now it is your duty to spread that Truth, and the One True Faith, to all the peoples of the world, that they may live together as one family. Go now, Mohammed, and spread the Faith to the heathens of Mecca and Medina, and to the Christians of Egypt, and all the peoples of your world. Go, and spread news of that which to only you speaks." And as God commanded, Mohammed did.

Setting out from his cave, Mohammed road for Mecca, capital of the Kingdom of Hedjaz and center of the region's pagan faith. In Mecca stood the Ka'aba, a pagan shrine built around a great black meteor, taken by the Meccan Arabs as a sign from the gods. Mohammed had decided that it was at that shrine where he would preach the gospel of Allah, the One True God, and turn the people from their false, idolatrous ways.

Upon arriving in Mecca, Mohammed was greated in the typical Arab way -- by the city elder, who sat in a tent and offered Mohammed food and drink. However, the Prophet's interests lay not in hospitality, and so took the customary drink of coffee and piece of bread, and made his way towards the shrine of the meteor.

Mohammed set down a blanket outside the Ka'aba and from it began to call the people of Mecca to him. When a sizable crowd had gathered, he began to speak of his dream, and his meditations, and the true nature of Allah. He spoke of the instructions Allah had given him for how the people should worship properly, and how they should live properly, as well. Many people in the crowd were moved by Mohammed's words; but others were horrified. The authorities of the temple, and even the soldiers of the Prince of Mecca, came upon Mohammed to silence and arrest him. Knowing his life was in jeopardy, Mohammed mounted his horse and rode from the city with haste. Behind him followed some thirty of his new followers, and also the Meccan authorities.

Several miles outside the city, in the hasrh desert and mountain country, the soldiers and priests gave up the chase and let Mohammed and the Mohammedites ride to safety. Knowing they might still be in danger, the Mohammedites fled all the way to Medina, the other great city of the Hedjaz.

In Medina, Mohammed and his followers continued to preach their message of a tolerant, loving God who wished for His people to live their lives righteously. Mohammed spoke of a paradise that awaited the faithful after the death; those Christians living in the city already knew this Paradise well, as Heaven. But even the Christians, far removed from the epicenters of their faith, were swayed by the Prophet's eloquent words. Secure in the belief that Jesus was a prophet who had come before Mohammed to lay the foundation for his spreading of the True Faith, the Christians converted willingly and joined Mohammed and his men.

Now more than two hundred strong, the Mohammedites set out again for Mecca after spending several months in Medina. In Medina, Mohammed had had another vision; in this vision, Allah had given Mohammed a great sword and commanded him to use it to vanquish the enemies of the Faith and bring ruin to the temples of the idolaters. Mohammed interpreted this to mean that in order to free the people of Mecca from their misguided ways, the pagan Ka'aba shrine must be destroyed. The Mohammedites had armed themselves in Medina, and were now approaching Mecca with the intent of defacing the shrine and bringing an end to paganism and idolatry in the Hedjaz.

Upon entering Mecca a second time, Mohammed was not greated so warmly. The guards were weary of allowing so many armed men to pass; but since they made no threats against the city, they were allowed to enter. Making their way past the markets and houses, the Mohammedites approached the Ka'aba, where prayers were just ending. As the crowds surrounding the shrine dispersed, and the structure was emptied of worshippers, the Mohammedites launched their attack. Overrunning the priests who kept the shrine, the Prophet and his followers broke into the temple and defaced it, smashing the idols and cutting down the artwork of the gods. When they were done, not a single idol or image remained; the pagan gods of Arabiya had been defeated.

Mohammed and his apostles came to preaching again around the wrecked shrine. This time, the people were more receptive, realizing that if the pagan gods truly existed, they would have struck down those who defiled their temple. Even the priesthood, without purpose now as the shrine was destroyed, succumbed to his preaching. Soon, all the city was converted to the new faith, which Mohammed had come to calling Islam -- "surrender to God."

Mohammed preached five pillars of faith:

1. Monotheism and the confession of faith ("There is no God before Allah and Mohammed is his Prophet")
2. Prayer five times a day towards the Ka'aba (now a holy site for Islam)
3. Almsgiving and charity to help the poor
4. The Fast of Ramadan
5. Pilgrimage (all Muslims living outside Mecca must visit it once in their lives)

These tenets of faith appealed to the masses, young and old, rich and poor, warrior and artisan. The Prophet preached of inclusion, or tolerance, of brotherhood. Soon the word spread from Mecca and Medina into the surrounding lands. Islam was the religion of the people. Islam would bring salvation and paradise. Islam would unite the world.
 
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