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Discussion in 'Civ4 - World War II 1939 Mod' started by asioasioasio, Mar 6, 2007.

  1. asioasioasio

    asioasioasio Fallout Scrubber

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    wow :)
    thanks it would help a lot with adding Finland :)
    and of course i remember you :)

    btw if i remeber well you've thought about translating mod to Finnish. Is it actual?
     
  2. makke

    makke Warlord

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    Yeah i asked if i could do it, but i think it would just ruin athmosphere, it sounds cooler in english really :) I updated the big post with few photos and infomation. :p Im bored.

    This could also help things up:



    Winter war



    the Soviet Union attacked Finland on November 30, 1939, three months after the start of World War II. Because the attack was judged completely illegal, the Soviet Union was expelled from the Leagueof Nations on December 14. Soviet leader Josef Stalin had expected to conquer the whole country by the end of 1939, but Finnish resistance frustrated the Soviet forces, who outnumbered the Finns 4:1 in men, 100:1 in tanks and 30:1 in aircraft[3]. Finland held out until March 1940, when a peace treaty was signed ceding about 10% of Finland's territory and 20% of its industrial capacity to the Soviet Union.





    Continuation war



    War of Continuation, lasting from June 25, 1941, until September 19, 1944, was one of the two wars fought between Finland and the Soviet Union during World War II. Continuation War comes from its relation to the Finnish-Soviet Winter War (1939–1940), as it is seen as a Stalin's attempt to continue his conquest of Finland which was aborted by the end of the Winter War or Finnish revanchist attempt to rectify the result of the Winter War.

    Because Finland belonged to the Anti-Comintern Pact and signed other agreements with Germany, Italy and Japan, the Allies characterized Finland as one of the Axis Powers, although the term used in Finland is "co-belligerence with Germany".

    There were also small SS-volunteers batallion from Finland. The battalion was made up of 1200 Finnish volunteers who had signed to fight against Soviet Union for two years. The unit lost 255 men killed in action, 686 wounded and 14 missing during its service.The battalion was praised by many Waffen-SS commanders, even Himmler, for its combat performance. Himmler said "Where a Finnish SS-man stood, enemy was always defeated." On top of this, the unit did not commit any war crimes

    The United Kingdom declared war on Finland on December 6, 1941, but did not participate actively in the Continuation War. Nazi Germany took part by providing critical material support and military cooperation to the Finnish side. USA did not fight or declare war against either party, but it did provide massive multi-level assistance to the Soviet Union. That help was officially meant for the Soviet war efforts against Germany.

    War ended in September 19, 1944.

    The formal conclusion for the Continuation War was ratified by the Paris peace treaty of 1947.



    "Nobody respects a country with a poor army, but everybody respects a country with a good army. I raise my toast to the Finnish Army."


    J. Stalin
    1948





    And i made this picture to easy things out

     
  3. makke

    makke Warlord

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    Some of the numbers are probably wrong, but you get the picture.^^



    Scripts should be like this if you can: (im excepting months change to weeks) Trading means any trading, from open borders to gold.





    And i would rather have Finland just in 1939 scenario not own winterwar scenario, but that's just me :)
    And for the space issue-- Take little bit ground from estonia, not mutch but little bit and make the sea little bit smaller but still useable and extend the land of finland little bit. Here's my idea: (It also has the cities i think should be in, at least helsinki, turku, vyaborg/viipuri (historially important) and oulu, tampere would be nice too. they could be small towns like helsinki 2 population, turku 2,oulu 1, viipuri 2, tampere 2 and if you also put vaasa in then 1 . Red spots are cities, red thing going all over finland is cultural borders, or how they should be at least, they are little bit larger than finland in this map, Finland had more territories back then, but we lost them to Soviets.





    How do you like map by the way :p made in paint

    Here are also all the recources in finland up to end of map. You should make some small lakes on middle part of finland near tampere, we have many thousand lakes in here :p

     
  4. simonsis

    simonsis Chieftain

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    really great!!!

    I agree with you makke!

    Finland rules
     
  5. knigh+

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    Turkey and Spain are the biggest neutrals in the Europe map. One side persuading one of these would change the course of war drastically. They must be included.

    here's my contribution:

    Turkey (1939)
    Leader: Ismet Inonu (defensive, organized, favors Free Religion)
    Civics: Universal Suffrage, Nationhood, Emancipation, State Property, Free Religion
    UU: Infantry (just lower the cost), or Suvari (Cavalry plus 1 first strike, starts with Blitz)
    UB: Bazaar (Market, can turn 1 more citizen to merchant, +10% culture) or use the good old Ottoman Hamam.
    Cities with wonders: Ankara (Palace, National Epic), Istanbul (Hagia Sophia, West Point, Red Cross), Izmir (Temple of Artemis was here), Konya (Hermitage), Canakkale (Heroic Epic), Zonguldak (Iron Works)
     
  6. makke

    makke Warlord

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    Agree^^ It would make scenario intresting if spain would join nazis ect.
     
  7. asioasioasio

    asioasioasio Fallout Scrubber

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    Ok this screenshots conveans me much - Japan (i started to work on it) and Finland will appear in patch 1.2b - I have couple other in mind (Spain, Turkey, Australia, Canada) but i won't promiss that they'll be addedin 1.2b - it make take more time :) ok so what more propositions :)
     
  8. vidimce

    vidimce Warlord

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    Nice information about Finland. I definitely like to see Yugoslavia in the next patch as it occupies most of the Balkans.
     
  9. makke

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    From current scenarios i like 1939 scenario most. Spain and Turkey would be big + on that scenario :) What will be in patch 1.1b??
     
  10. asioasioasio

    asioasioasio Fallout Scrubber

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    yup ans Spain and Turkey makes me rember of this great scenario in Civ2 :)

    In patch
    - mostly fixes of annoying, critical bugs and other minor bugs posted for the last month (the full list i'll publish with patch)
    - changed Dale's Range bombardment Mod and Missiles Mod implemented
    - few new graphics and animated missiles and few air units
    - completly rebalanced buildings and wonders - now it's made much more logicly and historicly, and it's balanced better.
    - Atom bomb test site and hydrogen bomb test sites are now projects - and need much effort to construct nuclear weapons
    - newest versions of scenarios.
    - starting of reediting some sounds and textures, and models to keep the memory requirements down and run game faster
     
  11. makke

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    I wrote something about 1939 scenario remember it's just my opinion :) :

    the USSR is brilliantly made in 1939 scenario! It's great that in beginning they are quite **** and get -43 (or something) wealth per round, but once the workers have done their jobs it's best civilization in scenario! I played with France on noble, i conquert italian cities in africa and had big advantage. USSR was really small in scores at first but by the end of scenario they were leading other nations by 500-scores! That's really cool in fun way and historially accurete way.

    Also i think USA is nicely done, since they only have 2 cities but still they affect a lot when they declare war, mostly because of their warships.

    But i seriously think France is little bit too strong, well they are under attack by italy and Nazi-Germany.. but i played with France, i lost 2 cities(lyons and other one north from lyons) but i kept everything else from France(mostly because of my foreign legions send from north-africa via transport ships) I also conquert 2 cities from Italy in North-Africa. And i trained workers there and then i got massive advantage with oil,copper,iron and other stuff. It's really fun and it gives purpose to conquer Africa yes, but i think France has too many troops there. They should have ½ less troops there. Italian cities in Africa had no chance against my troops there(well im fairly good player but still) Also Germany should have little bit more desert troops in Africa than they have now.

    UK is also little bit too strong at start. Reduce their strenght little bit. Since Germany was only scenario which knew about war before it happend so they had time to prepare on war. They should be much better militarilly than others at start. Poland is also little bit too strong, not much but still i think they should be reduced little bit.


    This is my 1 to 10 review of accurate strenght from all current nations.

    Germany

    Number 10

    -They are as strong as they should be in means of game, but still they're not too good which is nice thing

    United Kingdom


    Number 8

    -They are little bit too strong at start, UK kind of had "golden age" in ww2 but they were not nearly as massive at start as they were in end of war

    USSR


    Number 10

    -I love the fact that they suck little bit on start since their territories are not improved, but once improvements have been done they are best country.

    Poland

    Number 9

    -They are little bit too strong but that dosent have too much effect but still their strenght should be reduced little.

    France

    Number 7

    -They are too strong. In France they are nicely accurate. Only thing bothering me is their stenght in Africa. Reduce the Africa troops little bit and it's perfect IMO.

    Italy

    Number 9

    -They are pretty close accurate, they should maybe have little bit more strenght, not much by any means but still.

    Neutrals

    -Well they are neutrals so i can't compare to anything.



    I hope you agree that little criticism is for good. :) Over all amazing work so far.
     
  12. makke

    makke Warlord

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    Also i just remembered that U.N sucks! Germany had to change their civics and it messed whole idea of the big bad nazi threat. :p Is it possible to remove U.N completely from mod? It sucks ass..
     
  13. asioasioasio

    asioasioasio Fallout Scrubber

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    Thx for posting this ideas - hmm many ppl talks that Germany is to strong and conquer with germany to easily, and playing with ussr is insane cause theire economy sucks - hovewer kodzi tried to make it historicly accurate and make russian economy in troubles, and germany enough strong to start the war. :) and i like that idea that playing different countries you need to focus on different problems, strategies :)

    I removed LON the ability to mess up diplomacy and civic - as we know it LON was good in chatting not solving problems and keepinng peace on earth - weak Joseph Avenol was the best example how LON also week could be.

    Hovever I left diplomatic vicotry - i left United Nations as wonder that could be build with discovering color television (i didn't knew where to put it so suggested by firaxis mass media i've put this there) - it takes some time to reach that tech
     
  14. makke

    makke Warlord

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    I think Germany should be strong. It's still not too easy with Germany at least if you play with noble. League of nations = LON? I don't like diplomatic victory ether. But maybe that's just me :)

    Edit: You should use this in background music when talking to Finland's leader C.G.E. Mannerheim. It's famous Finnish anthem it's played in march's and stuff.
    http://download.yousendit.com/D83F3BF144592673
     
  15. makke

    makke Warlord

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    I made this skin to ease your job, if you like it let me know so i will upload it.



    It's really simple re-skin. It's based on this pic here and other pic i found(i lost url)

     
  16. makke

    makke Warlord

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    I upgraded skin little bit :)
     
  17. asioasioasio

    asioasioasio Fallout Scrubber

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    hmm i think he's to white, but send me this or better upload on cfc :)
     
  18. makke

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    I'll change uniform colour little bit i'll update link here soon. :)


    Edit: The uniform was supposed to be as much snow colour as possible, but i darkener it little bit, but it shouldnt be grey ether. Feel free to modify it if you want. :) But if you do try keeping the uniform still white, not grey. I decided to give him mustache so he wouldnt look too mutch like Waffen SS looks from face in mod. All the changes i did: Modified: skin color(it was too dark for finnish), uniform,helmet,shoes,hand(gloves),small face details, and other stuff. It's nothing too fancy or anything. It's simple re-skin for infantry.

    Here:

    http://download.yousendit.com/8EFD649A342FE345
     
  19. asioasioasio

    asioasioasio Fallout Scrubber

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    Thank you :)
    I'll put on him a litle bit dirt and shadows but he looks good now. Thx :)
     
  20. makke

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    I'm also working on Panzer IV re-skin with Finnish flag on side, but im not sure if it becomes good enough for mod :p (Im n00b on skinning)
     

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