Super Smash CONSOLES melee

[Saga of Gemini]

I voted for Link. Why are people from Tekken there? Tekken sucks. Virtua Fighter, Soul Calibur, DOA are all much better.

And Luigi kicks Mario's ass any day.

you mean yoshimitsu? he appears in SC 2

 

[Saga of Gemini]

whats the point of arguing who's better. you put all the characters from fighting game that are too vastly different. You cant compare them because the game system plays differently.

U can compare their abilitys and somehow say who will win.

Only character thats been in 2 different game in that list is Link. And Link was such a weak character in SC2...

What?? are u serius? him and mitsurugi controlled by me are the most lethal weapons in that game....I can tell u never got hit by the spin attack or the spin attack in the air.

 

[philippe]

Kuja FF9 (too bad he is the "bad " guy )

 

[Dabomb18359]

Dude, when I played Soul Caliber II as Link I whooped. I just stand near the edge facing in and wait for them to come to me. When the attack thinking they are so strong I strife and do the throw move. It grabs them and throwd them 180 degrees backwards. It's awesome. It throws them off the cliff 90% of the time if you do it right, working perfectly as planned. The only problem is no one wants to play you after that...

 

[NetGear]

Link is the worst character in the game. He has what is called the worst frame advantage for all his moves. That makes him an unsafe character.

That throw the opponent out of the ring move won't work on someone who plays a decent game of SC2 in the arcade. That throw is breakable with A button. i13 throw plus i16 break frame... all that complicated frame talk basically means you have about half a second to react. Thats plenty of time to condition urself to tap A on response. If the opponent is smart he will simply tap everytime you attempt a throw and throw will never work. Not only that if you attempt it you will put yourself in vulnerable situation. Not wise.

Only reason why your link can get a free ring out is because ur friends dont break that throw. If they want to, they can easily practice the break and trust me, it will no longer work. Its just way too easy once you get the hang of it.

 

[NetGear]

If you wanna ring people out easily by doing back throws, play Kilik or Yoshimitsu instead. They have throws that does the exact same thing as Link except theirs is alot harder to break out of. And in Kilik's case, its not only tough to evade (since you have to guard low to avoid it) it gives you an advantage even if opponent breaks your throw attempt if you do a throw escape recovery properly.

 

[Silverflame]

From what I hear of others, Link is as useless as Yungsung at higher levels of play. I personally couldn't care less about being good at the game, when I play with my friends it usually boils down to button mashing. I still have a lot of fun with it, but I'm just really not one for a "real" fighter, SSBM is more of my style.

 

[NetGear]

Well even Yunsung has setups. Link just has 50% counterhit combos going for him, with no viable way to setup his combo....

 

[Dabomb18359]

O well we're not arguing whether Link is the best Soul Caliber 2 character, since there's only fighting moves... not boomerang and all the tight things he can do in the "Link-only" Zelda games. In his OWN games he whoops, and all the fairies man... If we're talking Ocarina of Time, you can have like 20 fairies if you're willing to risk all those items. But Link definitely whoops Samus. I'd like him to hop onto Kaepora Gaebora (whatever owl dude) and fly over people dropping bombs

 

[NetGear]

um Link throws boomerangs, bombs and shoots bows IN SOUL CALIBUR. IIRC, Link does not whoop ass in SSBM either. He's somewhat of a mid tier (prolly upper mid tier)class IIRC. Im not familiar with samus vs link matchups.

U can compare their abilitys and somehow say who will win.

And my point exactly is = YOU CANT MAKE THE COMPARISON.

 

[Thrawn]

imo, the only time you can compare characters to see who would win in a fight is when those characters are in the same game, and that game is a fighting game. Trying to compare characters in one game with characters in a different type of game doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Saga of Gemini]

Link is the worst character in the game. He has what is called the worst frame advantage for all his moves. That makes him an unsafe character.

if u say so all the ppl i know that own SC 2 say link is the best ( after mitsurugi) u are the first to say otherwise.


It actually depends on how u play with them so it dosnt really matter

 

[Dabomb18359]

okay in Soul Caliber 2 it's not a game made BY NINTENDO, therefore Link's most best moves are still not as good as in his own games. Yes, you can charge up the arrow, but it's so easy to block. Just because he can use them doesn't mean they are good, they are just so it looks like he really is Link.

 

[Silverflame]

In Soul Callibur 2 Link's boomerang and bombs are there just for show. They have close to no purpose in an actual battle whatsoever. That's actually a weakness because those moves replace what the other characters have as special moves. The bow does have a few uses in combos and such, I think, but still isn't that great.

In SSBM, Link mostly depends on his projectiles. He's generally too slow and can't combo very well. Mostly it boils down to using the projectiles to damage, then finish off with the double sword smash or the sword plant. His down-tilt spike and up-B work wonders as well. But he's just too slow to compare against the "upper" tiers of Sheik and Marth. Young Link has speed, but not enough finishing moves.

That said, I really hate the tier system in SSBM. I know it exists, but I simply hate it. The more I play, the more it feels like Marth and Sheik are superior to Game&Watch and Kirby. The tier wars that used to happen around GameFAQs are even worse (do they still go on? I haven't checked that board for a while), about the same level as the Creationism v. Evolution debates around here.

 

[Dabomb18359]

Does Marth's shieldbreaker move actually break the opponent's shield?

 

[NetGear]

if u say so all the ppl i know that own SC 2 say link is the best ( after mitsurugi) u are the first to say otherwise.

And who are these people that you know?
http://www.soulcalibur.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9984
Consensus of all the world's recognized SC2 players = Link is just too horrible to be taken seriously.

It actually depends on how u play with them so it dosnt really matter

No not really. Somethings are dependent. Comparing a musket against a repeating firearm is not.

In Soul Callibur 2 Link's boomerang and bombs are there just for show. They have close to no purpose in an actual battle whatsoever.

Actually, Link has some counterhit combos that involves some crafty bomb uses. ~50% off of life over a stupid mistake in getting hit by a bomb isn't too bad. Of course... 50% dmg CH combos are common on most characters anyway...

That said, I really hate the tier system in SSBM. I know it exists, but I simply hate it.

Know that it exists. hate it. but do not let your gamre be bound by the tier. Unless if you're playing marvel VS capcom 2 of course.... where low tiers have no chance in hell of winning agst t3h Sent/Storm/Cable/Magneto g0dz

 

[NetGear]

okay in Soul Caliber 2 it's not a game made BY NINTENDO, therefore Link's most best moves are still not as good as in his own games. Yes, you can charge up the arrow, but it's so easy to block. Just because he can use them doesn't mean they are good, they are just so it looks like he really is Link.

by ur logic, capcom characters like ryu should be so much better than cyclops, sentinel, dr doom, storm and etc... unfortunately marvel character in general DOMINATE over all capcom characters.

Look at marvel VS capcom2 top tier list and I see only captain commando representing capcom universe...


Its how the game was designed. Whether this and that is from this game and not is irrelevant.

 

[Dabomb18359]

okay where did you get started with Capcom and whatnot? I'm just saying Link fans are definitely going to think that Link is undermade. He was made kind of to be cool and to take part in the game to get people to buy it because it had Link. Not just to buy the game, but if you were going to buy the game, Nintendo geared towards GameCube owners that know their games by placing Link in it.


And while we're arguing about Link look at the scores ub above man. Link's dominating.

 

[NetGear]

.... sigh.

I mentioned capcom as an example because u brought up the fact that Link isnt good because game was made by namco, not nintendo. i even quoted u on it. What I had to say wasnt that confusing.

What scores are you talking about? Link doesnt dominate jack. All the regulars in that forum said Link sucked. And WCMaxi HIMSELF came by, took time to post "Link sucks". There you have it. Word from the BEST. Similar towhats his face in SSBM, Ken (IIRC) coming by smashboard and saying, "yeah this character is the worst". End of story. We have a conclusion. Anythign said afterwards are dumb fanboys posting for +1 posts....

 

[Dabomb18359]

I'm not takling bout Link dominating fighting games, but his own games. Of course if u played any of his games and finished them you too would vote for Link all the time.