Jason The King
Deity
They rely on you for defense.
Superpowers NES
- Thread starter Jason The King
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das
Regeneration In Process
We assure you that China is the greatest threat to the balance of power right now; as for their withdrawal from Kyrgyzstan, it was obvious from the outset that they were going to come back as soon as the war with India was over. We are glad that you agree that Chinese power must be curbed; we hope, however, that you also come to agree that there was no better time to move towards that lofty objective than now, and that it is as much in the interests of all of Asia to avoid a prolonged and destructive war as it is to stop Chinese aggression once and for all.
As for "Russian interference in Asia", we would like to remind you - and the Chinese junta - that Russia is at least as much Asian as European, and now possibly even moreso than ever before. Our long-term interests are bound to the prosperity and greatness of Asia, and we cannot let Chinese militarism - and the reckless opportunism of China's American allies, who truly do not have any stake in Asia whatsoever - stand in the way of that. And if India's actions are objectionable, then China's are three times so.
As for the exact terms, we have deliberately left the wording vague - the balance of power in Asia will be restored after the war by means of a Pan-Asian Congress, in which we expect you to participate as well. The Burmese Question will be resolved there as well.
Jason The King
Deity
lol sorry stalin, everything is taken. thought I wish they weren't, id love to have you in the game...it is based on your neo nes afterall.
Masada: as stated in the original rules neutral nations cannot commit offensive forces....meaning forces outside of their country. Though I am not stiff on these rules. If there is unanimous support to allow neutral nations offensive capabilities, I will consider it.
Masada: as stated in the original rules neutral nations cannot commit offensive forces....meaning forces outside of their country. Though I am not stiff on these rules. If there is unanimous support to allow neutral nations offensive capabilities, I will consider it.
Amon Savag
The Great
-=blocking Unanimous Support=-
Fuschia
A Little Odd
What? Why? I think it's a good idea, to support people being a little more cautious. Not to mention it makes the game much more interesting.
Amon Savag
The Great
I like the NES the way it is. No reason to change what I believe to be a flawless system.
Fuschia
A Little Odd
No system is without flaws. We've even had slight rule additions and changes since the beginning, and it's not like the whole NES has collapsed.
Jason The King
Deity
UPDATE TUESDAY
so have your orders in sometime before then.
so have your orders in sometime before then.
I'm open to just having neutral countries defend each other if they are in an alliance or defensive system together with a PC, going on the offensive against a player is not exactly what i'm after...
Me and Das are the only ones allied with NPC's though, and the simple thought that I have a bunch of allies who will do nothing to assist each other even though they are obliged to declare war on an aggresive party is rather silly. Let's not punish the cautious player here
So I don't see why the rules can't be changed...
Me and Das are the only ones allied with NPC's though, and the simple thought that I have a bunch of allies who will do nothing to assist each other even though they are obliged to declare war on an aggresive party is rather silly. Let's not punish the cautious player here
So I don't see why the rules can't be changed...
Amon Savag
The Great
The rule changes weren't needed, and didn't fundamentally change a stance that was already stated by the mod.
I quite agree.
Yes, massive NPC alliances that can actually attack will be extremely unfair.
To Indonesia:
From Vietnam:
CC: Other East Asian nations concerned
Yes, I will bend to your concerns. We will begin an immediate withdrawal from the Phillipines. I don't know what came over my generals.
However, we are not willing to pay reparations to the Phillipines.
As for the Cambodia, we will agree to the proposal, in exchange for the fact that they will remain as a vassal state if they agree to withdraw. Also, we will maintain a military outpost in Cambodia, manned only by a couple of soldiers. Merely as peacekeepers, as you may see.
After the country completely stabilizes and we see that the government is reliable, strong and enigmatic, we will completely withdraw our troops.
Providing that relations go well for another 10-15 years, we will release them from vassalage as well.
EDIT: After looking at the map, you should not object to our claims of maintaining a small, military presence. You also seem to have troops stationed in Laos and parts of Cambodia not under our command.
OOC:
Not my fault if others have been saber rattling and invading others, and I provide a viable alternitive, ham fisted comes to mind. I shouldn't be punished because I haven't gone and invaded all my neighbours, and have instead decided that a viable course is just to make friends.
From: Indonesia
To: Vietnam
You missed the point, you have no choice, you will not be allowed to keep nominal troops in Cambodia if they vote to leave (any voter trickery will constitute an act of war against Indonesia, and her allies; to forstall any attempts to be tricky we will request that Oceanian observers are placed to watch the ballot).
If Cambodia wishes to leave, then you will leave, there may be an option added to the refendum to the effect that "Cambodia will become it's own nation, but will allow token Vietnamese forces to remain there, pending a further vote to eject them or a duration of 10 years whichever comes first". You may not exercise any control over Cambodia if they decide to part ways with your nation, the Cambodian government in exile will take back its legimately elected position as the government of that nation, free of your influence and will we are sure join the SEAP to stop a repeat preformance.
Indonesia will cover any damage to the Phillipines in a spirit of friendship to a slightly more sane regime in Vietnam.
You may apply to join SEAP once you have fufilled these obligations.
OOC: What? I have troops in my allies territory to defend them from you, Thailand, and Laos.
Not my fault if others have been saber rattling and invading others, and I provide a viable alternitive, ham fisted comes to mind. I shouldn't be punished because I haven't gone and invaded all my neighbours, and have instead decided that a viable course is just to make friends.
From: Indonesia
To: Vietnam
You missed the point, you have no choice, you will not be allowed to keep nominal troops in Cambodia if they vote to leave (any voter trickery will constitute an act of war against Indonesia, and her allies; to forstall any attempts to be tricky we will request that Oceanian observers are placed to watch the ballot).
If Cambodia wishes to leave, then you will leave, there may be an option added to the refendum to the effect that "Cambodia will become it's own nation, but will allow token Vietnamese forces to remain there, pending a further vote to eject them or a duration of 10 years whichever comes first". You may not exercise any control over Cambodia if they decide to part ways with your nation, the Cambodian government in exile will take back its legimately elected position as the government of that nation, free of your influence and will we are sure join the SEAP to stop a repeat preformance.
Indonesia will cover any damage to the Phillipines in a spirit of friendship to a slightly more sane regime in Vietnam.
You may apply to join SEAP once you have fufilled these obligations.
OOC: What? I have troops in my allies territory to defend them from you, Thailand, and Laos.
Vietnam would like to know how much these reparations will be. If they are low, we may be willing to accept the charges.
Also, since we will become allies once I apply to the SEAP, and hopefully be accepted, why is it that I cannot keep a token amount of troops in Cambodia. You have done the same for your allies.
We will not, I REPEAT, WILL NOT do anything to corrupt this vote. If you want, you can have Oceanic, Japanese, and yourselves present at the vote. However, we will not tolerate military presences in what is still our territory. Ambassadors, and any other amiable people are more than welcome, and will receive lodgings at our expense.
After they declare themselves free, you are more than welcome to bring troops over (parital amounts, remember) to defend the Cambodians if you think they are threatened by the Veitnamese.
Also, since we will become allies once I apply to the SEAP, and hopefully be accepted, why is it that I cannot keep a token amount of troops in Cambodia. You have done the same for your allies.
We will not, I REPEAT, WILL NOT do anything to corrupt this vote. If you want, you can have Oceanic, Japanese, and yourselves present at the vote. However, we will not tolerate military presences in what is still our territory. Ambassadors, and any other amiable people are more than welcome, and will receive lodgings at our expense.
After they declare themselves free, you are more than welcome to bring troops over (parital amounts, remember) to defend the Cambodians if you think they are threatened by the Veitnamese.
Jason The King
Deity
Are you guys confusing cambodia with laos?
Because Vietnam doesn't have troops in Cambodia...and the Cambodian government is not in exile. In fact the only superpower with troops in Cambodia is Indonesia...
Because Vietnam doesn't have troops in Cambodia...and the Cambodian government is not in exile. In fact the only superpower with troops in Cambodia is Indonesia...
OOC: *I hate that bit of the world 
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Short Answer: Yes
IC:
How the business of a [assuming a yes vote] member state of SEAP is any of your interest is beyond us, do not think to dictate terms to us! Yes you may apply for SEAP, but all SEAP members are equal, there is no dominant parties, it is an alliance of equals.
* Short Answer: Yes
IC:
How the business of a [assuming a yes vote] member state of SEAP is any of your interest is beyond us, do not think to dictate terms to us! Yes you may apply for SEAP, but all SEAP members are equal, there is no dominant parties, it is an alliance of equals.
Amon Savag
The Great
From:UIS
To:Indonesia
You're going to let the commintern infiltrate your SEAP? Another provision for the treaty should, in my oppinion, be the removal of Vientam from the commintern. None of my official business, but we do try to look out for our muslim brothers in east asia.
To:Indonesia
You're going to let the commintern infiltrate your SEAP? Another provision for the treaty should, in my oppinion, be the removal of Vientam from the commintern. None of my official business, but we do try to look out for our muslim brothers in east asia.
OOC: All instances of Camodia are replaced with Laos, so yes you will still have to withdraw. Basically you lose 2 IC, gain me as an ally, and don't get invaded by me, Japan and Oceania for the annoyance factor of invading the Phillipines my ally. You didn't know, that's fine, but I'm being reasonable here, I could have just invaded you.
To: UIS
From: Indonesia
That will perhaps be a condition of entry, although we must note that the Comintern kind of collapsed before it began, Indonesia has a long history of acting in the best interests of South East Asia, evidenced by our protection of member states of SEAP. Certainly though we believe that better relations should be cultivated between us Muslim Brothers. We therefore propose that a dialogue of Muslim States and minorities be set up, with details to be discussed.
To: UIS
From: Indonesia
That will perhaps be a condition of entry, although we must note that the Comintern kind of collapsed before it began, Indonesia has a long history of acting in the best interests of South East Asia, evidenced by our protection of member states of SEAP. Certainly though we believe that better relations should be cultivated between us Muslim Brothers. We therefore propose that a dialogue of Muslim States and minorities be set up, with details to be discussed.
