"Sure, but you'll have to contact them for us"

[svv]

Just saw this message for the first time. Ghandi and Julius were at war, so I decided to take the opportunity to relieve Julius of almost all of his cities. He ended up with just some backwater someplace where I didn't even know what it is, so I was done with him.

I go and negotiate the peace, and I notice that he's still at war with Ghandi. It obviously was never much of a shooting war; I saw almost no sign of it while I was ravaging the Roman lands. Anyway, the diplomatic choice for Make Peace With: Ghandi was blocked (red). I roll the cursor over it, and it says "Sure, but you'll have to contact them for us" or something like that.

I didn't know that two civs could be out of contact once contact is established. Anyway, it seemed very strange.

 

[Cow]

That just means that Ghandi was the one who is refusing to end the war, so you have to bribe Ghandi to get it to stop.

 

[LucyDuke]

"We'd love to, but you'll have to contact them." is the way I remember it. Like Cow said (awesome handle), they're willing to negotiate peace but Gandhi won't have it. It seems kind of cheap to me that someone could step in and bribe off the aggressor at no cost to the victim, like a way around capitulation. Is this compatible, though, with the ten turns minimum of war? Or is that minimum only in my head?

 

[Defiant47]

My friend declares war on me and starts invading me. I don't want this war! But I have no choice, so I get my military to defend. I try to negotiate a peace, but my friend won't even talk to me! No matter what I do, I can't get peace!

Then you come to me and ask me to make peace with my friend. I will tell you "Sure, but you'll have to contact them for us"... I'd love to make peace, it's just that my friend wouldn't.

 

[Orion071]

"We'd love to, but you'll have to contact them." is the way I remember it. Like Cow said (awesome handle), they're willing to negotiate peace but Gandhi won't have it. It seems kind of cheap to me that someone could step in and bribe off the aggressor at no cost to the victim, like a way around capitulation. Is this compatible, though, with the ten turns minimum of war? Or is that minimum only in my head?

I was trying a Diplo victory the other day and JC attacked Saladin. Both of them were friendly with me and I didn't want to get dragged into their war. So I bribed JC to stop the war the very next turn after he declared. I guess the minimum is only in your head.

 

[Bradlius]

My friend declares war on me and starts invading me. I don't want this war! But I have no choice, so I get my military to defend. I try to negotiate a peace, but my friend won't even talk to me! No matter what I do, I can't get peace!

Then you come to me and ask me to make peace with my friend. I will tell you "Sure, but you'll have to contact them for us"... I'd love to make peace, it's just that my friend wouldn't.

It's like they broke off diplomatic relations with each other. They are not on speaking terms, to say the least! They need a third party to step in and broker a peace agreement.

 

[Viperace]

What Defiant47 said make sense...The victim civ don't have a choice, you got to convince the aggressor to stop.

Maybe we could take this "Sure, but you'll have to contact them for us" message to gauge who is winning and who is losing. But the AI war tactics are

 

[svv]

Well, I've still been playing this game. Julius' only city ended up being this icebound place that will never get over a population of 2. Ghandi (with whom I've been on good terms and have open borders) sent a couple grenediers across my territory toward Julius' remaining city. Right about when they get there, they agree to a peace.

The things the AI does to you seem strange. The things the AI does to other AI players seems really strange.

 

[Gwil]

The inter AI relations are totally strange. I'd bribed Alex into halting an attack on Mao, twice - it came to me wanting to invade Greece, so I lined up my transports, hopped on - asked Mao to attack Alex with me...

"We couldn't betray our close friends!" (so close they've attacked you twice)

Fair enough - I proceed, to line up troops - and bam, Alex invades Mao AGAIN! Close friend my butt....

 

[None_Existant]

lmfao. Yeah the AI does the strangest things. The Romans were invading egypt in my game who had a huge empire. Through out a series of peace/wars Rome was steadily grinding Egypt into the ground.

Egypt lost 3 capitals, and since I wanted the rest of 0egypt, I wanted the two to make peace. Naturally with only 3 Egyptian cities left, Rome didn't want to stop the war. So I go to them and they want all my gold and 1 advanced tech. So i leave. With 2 cities left I go back. He now wants all my gold, my map and 2 advanced techs. I leave. With one city left...Rome makes peace with Egypt.

Ironically, Egypts last city is Marsilles which was stolen from me by culture which I had conquered from France. Prior to the flip I had put 10 units in it. It flipped anyway. (They were later used in taking Orleans but anyway...)

Besides that, the Egyptians were soon erased from the earth and I got Marsilles back .

The AI definetly has problems, hence the BetterAI mod

 

[Viperace]

Civ4 AI is the BEST AI , unless all the others that have been tried

 

[KMadCandy]

That just means that Ghandi was the one who is refusing to end the war, so you have to bribe Ghandi to get it to stop.

i can't stop laughing tho. julius is all willing to sing kumbuyah by the fire but gandhi of all people is the bloodthirsty one! i've seen it happen and every time i just sit there giggling.

then again i'm the one that names my leader after my Lhasa Apso sometimes, and my civ the Tibetan ButtKickers, since that's of course what Tibet is famous for. doesn't take much to make me giggle i suppose.

 

[cabert]

i can't stop laughing tho. julius is all willing to sing kumbuyah by the fire but gandhi of all people is the bloodthirsty one! i've seen it happen and every time i just sit there giggling.

then again i'm the one that names my leader after my Lhasa Apso sometimes, and my civ the Tibetan ButtKickers, since that's of course what Tibet is famous for. doesn't take much to make me giggle i suppose.

It cannot be bad to be a "giggler". It certainly makes your husband happy.

 

[LucyDuke]

It cannot be bad to be a "giggler". It certainly makes your husband happy.

I can't understand when people say "easily amused" like it's a bad thing. Life is fun! Have fun with it! Wow, I'm like the off-topic queen, I think.

 

[BlueSoxSWJ]

"We'd love to, but you'll have to contact them." is the way I remember it. Like Cow said (awesome handle), they're willing to negotiate peace but Gandhi won't have it. It seems kind of cheap to me that someone could step in and bribe off the aggressor at no cost to the victim, like a way around capitulation. Is this compatible, though, with the ten turns minimum of war? Or is that minimum only in my head?

If you enter war with an AI (regardless who declares), the AI will "refuses to talk!!!" for 10 turns. So wars that you get into have a 10 turn minimum (unless, of course, you wipe them out faster).

 

[Solver]

If you enter war with an AI (regardless who declares), the AI will "refuses to talk!!!" for 10 turns. So wars that you get into have a 10 turn minimum (unless, of course, you wipe them out faster).

No, it's not a set limit actually. It is leader-dependent, and it's the variable iRefuseToTalkWarThreshold in Civ4LeaderheadInfos.xml - it's in the 6-10 range. 6 for civs like Gandhi, 10 for civs like Napoleon. 8 for many. However, that number isn't the final one either - it also depends on whether the AI chose to attack or was attacked. If it chose to attack, it will take longer to talk to you again.

 

[Priah]

I honestly think ive had Ghandi or Asoka capitulate within 3 turns before... god i love those guys.

 

[cabert]

I honestly think ive had Ghandi or Asoka capitulate within 3 turns before... god i love those guys.

Mansa Musa too.
He is the fastest to capitulate anyway

 

[druidravi]

Mansa Musa too.
He is the fastest to capitulate anyway

And one of the best vassals as well. Who would be a better vassal, Toku to whom you can gift military techs ,divert his absymal research to useless techs and who can actually hold himself against enemy due to his Agg/Pro synergy or Mansa Musa whom you can actually help you in teching .

 

[Mercenary82]

I've seen Gandhi actually force Shaka to capitulate in one of my games
Of course he had some help, Shaka was also at war with Izzy at the time, and way behind in tech, but it was still hilarius. This 2.08 patch must have a lot to do with it.