Swift-boating a 12-year old.

[Murky]

But if your employer is paying the rest, your cost is still low. I know walmart was offering an extremely low cost basic health plan to its employees. The point is, a lot of people dont even get such health coverage when its affordable and available....simply because they think they will never get sick.

Unfortunate, but true.

I don't pretend to know what other people are thinking when they make those decisions, but some people do go on the premise that they probably won't get sick, especially young people.

When I was working my way through college, there was no way that I could afford to pay for a descent health care plan. I did go to the emergency room a few times and had to pay for it out of pocket. It took a long time to pay off those bills. I was still paying on them after graduating.

 

[Merkinball]

Health care for $150.00? Might have been true back in 1951, but today even basic coverage in the $600-700 range for one person, a family runs over a thousand. My work insurance (with a $1000 deductible) cost my employer around a $1000.00/month. - Murky

This is BS. My healthcare coverage as a young, healthy, non-smoking 20 something was $120 a month through a private company through no employer. To go further, with the disabled child the wife of this family claims that insurance for the family, the entire family, now, would be $1200 bucks. Further investigation has shown that the family as it was, before the accident, could have had an average policy cost of LESS than $600 for the father, mother, and the four kids. This is all it would have cost per month, to insure his entire family and keep them covered in the event of a catastrophe. Catastrophe happened. And now, because of his negligence his neighbors flipped the bill for his family's tragedy. And then the Democrats are throwing him out their like a piece of cheap meat as an untouchable victim. Let's make this perfectly clear. I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume that this man is sitting on damn near a million dollars in assets. And other people are paying for his healthcare. To include families making $50,000 a year and have their families covered on private health insurance.

The address should have been removed by a responsible moderator. A responsible poster would not have included the address in the first place. - JR

I agree. But I strongly doubt the original intent of the address was to destroy the kid and his family. I strongly doubt it was to bring attacks, and was more along the lines of simply providing information as blogs from either side of the isle do. This idea coming out of the Daily Kos and other left wing blogs, that this is a ravenous attack meant to destroy this family is a witch hunt and nothing more.

The point is, a lot of people dont even get such health coverage when its affordable and available....simply because they think they will never get sick.
- MobBoss

And that is what happened here.

And this family didn't spend their money on a Lexus and golf clubs. But they have spent it on a Chevy Suburban and a newly remodeled kitchen with beautiful granite counter tops. Oh, and it's also presumed that this family has undeclared income stemming from a retail space that the husband rents out in the building that he owns.

 

[Patroklos]

I would have gone for the golf clubs :nod:

 

[JollyRoger]

But they have spent it on a Chevy Suburban and a newly remodeled kitchen with beautiful granite counter tops.

Given the father's profession, the remodeling and granite counter tops were likely a do-it-yourself project. That's is so pre-9/11 thinking that the family outto be shipped to GITMO.

 

[Mark1031]

I don't, but apparently his parents who are soley responsible for providing for his health care and are fully capable of doing so do. To them golf clubs, a Lexus or whatever they spent their cash on that seemed more important to them than their childs health care was the priority. So is the government going to step in for every lapse in parenting? Dad bought grass seed instead of sending you to little league? UNCLE SAM TO THE RESCUE! Mom bought a pair of shoes instead of braces? ENTITLEMENTS TO ALL!!!

Or I will put it this way, if it is the states job to parent then you can pay for this kids health care if you want, right after you remove the kid from his home which apparently doesn't provide for his needs out of choice AKA abuse.

Parenting is so last century anyways, lets just raise our kids in government camps so we don't have to worry about ******** parents anymore.

BTW, "kids" in this bill inludes people as old as 25

You right wingers are just pathetic. Can you come up with something better than comparing emergency medical care to, little league, braces, and Disneyland.

Why so much anger when a 12 yr old kid gets medical care but not when some corporation is bailed out. Should the fed cut interest rates to mitigate the mortgage crisis that these companies and investors brought on themselves. Should the S&Ls have been bailed out in the 80s? Chrysler? The drug companies sweet deal with Medicare where they can’t negotiate? War for oil contracts? No, nary a peep but some working Joe fails to spend what would probably have been 25% of his after tax income for health insurance and you want to let his kid die in the street.

You gotta love family values.

 

[MobBoss]

You right wingers are just pathetic. Can you come up with something better than comparing emergency medical care to, little league, braces, and Disneyland.

Why so much anger when a 12 yr old kid gets medical care but not when some corporation is bailed out. Should the fed cut interest rates to mitigate the mortgage crisis that these companies and investors brought on themselves. Should the S&Ls have been bailed out in the 80s? Chrysler? The drug companies sweet deal with Medicare where they can’t negotiate? War for oil contracts? No, nary a peep but some working Joe fails to spend what would probably have been 25% of his after tax income for health insurance and you want to let his kid die in the street.

You gotta love family values.

Dude...someone sending their kid to a 20k a year private school has no business not having their own paid health insurance....and it sure as hell wouldnt be fair to families who make far, far less than that to subsidize families health care via their taxes that can afford to send their kids to private school.

By all means tell me how fair it is for a familys money around the poverty line to be used to pay the medical bills for a kid whos is able to send their kid to a 20k a year private school? Answer: its not.

 

[JollyRoger]

Dude...someone sending their kid to a 20k a year private school has no business not having their own paid health insurance....and it sure as hell wouldnt be fair to families who make far, far less than that to subsidize families health care via their taxes that can afford to send their kids to private school.

By all means tell me how fair it is for a familys money around the poverty line to be used to pay the medical bills for a kid whos is able to send their kid to a 20k a year private school? Answer: its not.

The kids were on scholarship and the parents were paying hardly anything out of pocket.

 

[Elrohir]

Given the father's profession, the remodeling and granite counter tops were likely a do-it-yourself project. That's is so pre-9/11 thinking that the family outto be shipped to GITMO.

And the Suburban? Was that a do-it-yourself project as well?

 

[Mark1031]

And the Suburban? Was that a do-it-yourself project as well?

Can you listen to yourself? You pick over these people's carcass like some sort of vulture. Is the Suburban a luxury car when you have kids and run a contracting business? Is it new or used? You have no idea and I don’t freaking care. The guy had 2 kids and was living on 45K/yr in an east coast city. This is not a fat cat for God sake. Is there any concern with the tip of the corporate welfare iceberg I discussed above that costs billions and mitigates bad corporate decisions saving millionaires and billionares from loosing millions and for whom the entire system is rigged. Or is your only concern some kid getting a medical care handout he “did not deserve”.


How about if we just look at it as a subsidy (or better yet a tax rebate) to the struggling hospital industry and the kids medical care is just an unfortunate side product of that economic stimulus to fuel the engines of capitalism.

 

[JollyRoger]

And the Suburban? Was that a do-it-yourself project as well?

Likely not. Given the guy's business, it was probably a good choice of vehicle.

 

[MobBoss]

Can you listen to yourself? You pick over these people's carcass like some sort of vulture. Is the Suburban a luxury car when you have kids and run a contracting business? Is it new or used?

I make a very decent wage and I cant afford a suburban.

Again, its very plain that these people are not below the poverty line or anywhere near it. They can indeed afford their own health insurance. I dont see you arguing your way around that. No way. No how.

You have no idea and I don’t freaking care. The guy had 2 kids and was living on 45K/yr in an east coast city. This is not a fat cat for God sake.

Neither is it anywhere near the poverty line.

 

[Bill3000]

Neither is it anywhere near the poverty line.

I'm not paying attention to the thread, but you can't get anywhere with a 40k income here on Long Island, especially with a full family. It's pretty much poverty level after you account for the huge cost of living.

 

[JollyRoger]

Btw, even Bush wants SCHIP to cover above the poverty line.

 

[MobBoss]

I'm not paying attention to the thread, but you can't get anywhere with a 40k income here on Long Island, especially with a full family. It's pretty much poverty level after you account for the huge cost of living.

Then dont live in Long Island. /shrug. Its not exactly cheap where I live either, but come on, when the 'poor' in america own computers, cars and have cable tv and internet, I think you really need to stand back and understand the differences in what people 'need' as opposed to what people 'want'.

 

[Merkinball]

Given the father's profession, the remodeling and granite counter tops were likely a do-it-yourself project. - JR

So what. Do you have any idea how much it costs to do it yourself? Have you seen the picture of the family in the kitchen? It must have cost thousands.

Why so much anger when a 12 yr old kid gets medical care but not when some corporation is bailed out. - Mark

Find me a conservative that believes in corporate welfare. Strawman.

The guy had 2 kids and was living on 45K/yr in an east coast city. This is not a fat cat for God sake. - Mark

What about that rental space on his business property that is undeclared? Even in an east coast city it's a fair assumption that he's getting a couple grand from that commercial space. If his business has appreciated in value like his house, then he's a millionaire in assets. What do you consider a fat cat? The house they live in is THREE THOUSAND SQUARE FEET! No, that is a HUGE house. They have a new suburban. They have a newly remodeled kitchen. Gimme a break.

No, nary a peep but some working Joe fails to spend what would probably have been 25% of his after tax income for health insurance and you want to let his kid die in the street. - Mark

Yup, the man spends 25% of his income on his 3000 square foot house. That's more important than his kids health.

Is the Suburban a luxury car when you have kids and run a contracting business? Is it new or used? You have no idea and I don’t freaking care. - Mark

It's described as a couple years old. And yes, I would consider a suburban as a luxury car. It starts at damn near $40,000. The dad doesn't run a contracting business. He's a wood worker. He could have a $5000 dollar used truck. They could have a used minivan that would work just as well. Ever think about gas mileage? What are they spending on gas to lug that suburban around as opposed to a minivan? Nope, they get to buy their suburban new. Their neighbors get to pay for their kids hospital care.

Likely not. Given the guy's business, it was probably a good choice of vehicle. - JR

He could have gotten a 94 Toyota pickup. The thing will work better, be much less cheap (free up a few years of healthcare outright), will last longer, will save him on repairs, and save him on gas mileage as well. Nope, that's wrong, afterall, the American dream to liberals now is a Chevy Suburban of all things.

Btw, even Bush wants SCHIP to cover above the poverty line. - JR

Bush is wrong on a lot of things.

 

[Mark1031]

Find me a conservative that believes in corporate welfare. Strawman.

OK How about:
Alexander (R-TN)
Allen (R-VA)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Campbell (R-CO)
Chafee (R-RI)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Enzi (R-WY)
Fitzgerald (R-IL)
Frist (R-TN)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hagel (R-NE)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lugar (R-IN)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Talent (R-MO)
Thomas (R-WY)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA) All voting yea on medicare part D.

You may knock my supposed strawman down when you link me to the posts where you or any conservative on this board puts as much effort and emotion into an argument on corporate welfare as you do in trashing this kids family.

 

[Merkinball]

Those aren't conservatives, those are republicans.

 

[Merkinball]

And as for complaining about corporate welfare. If you wanna start a thread about it, by all means do so. I'll be there commenting on it. One reason there is so much information and emotion in this thread, is because there is a actually a debate surrounding it.

But, if you start a thread and say, "I hate that Exxon gets billions in corporate welfare," there's not going to be any debate. There's not any reason to have it. All I can say is, "Yeah, I agree with you. I think corporate welfare is an terrible thing, and a waste of tax payer dollars." And that's going to be the end of it. It's a one way street. This debate is not.

 

[Mark1031]

Those aren't conservatives, those are republicans.

QFT QFT QFT

 

[Mark1031]

And as for complaining about corporate welfare. If you wanna start a thread about it, by all means do so. I'll be there commenting on it. One reason there is so much information and emotion in this thread, is because there is a actually a debate surrounding it.

Well I listed several corporate issues above that you could comment on. You didn't go research the compensation packages and automobile purchases of anyone associated with those issues I'm sure we have had threads that have touched specifically on such issues. In fact the CEO thread is sort of a similar issue, not government related but corporate corruption. Everyone is trying to find a legitimate reason for US CEO overcompensation rather than researching the personal lives of the CEOs.