System requirements are out!

I have many problems on Civ V, huge maps/marathon speed, post industrial era, with an GTX 770 2gb even on FullHD (1080p). It actually crashes in modern era. On 1440p is even worse. And the main reason is lack of vram, so try to buy at least a 4gb card. GTX 1060 or RX480 8gb (even better as game will be optimized for AMD cards). For an under 300 budget RX 480 is the top choice if you will play a lot of Civ6 and latest Total War games. At about 400 there is 1070 which is a great card for anything. If you can fork money for one, you will be set for quite some good 3-4 years, even on 1440p.
 
Ovarwa said:
Hi,


(There's something useful for everyone here, though: If you (not *you* you, per se) want to upgrade rather than replace your system, faster CPU and (even more especially) RAM are the very last things to worry about! The one you have is probably fine. (Though when *buying* a new system, more recent cpus do offer some other advantages.) Going from HDD to a good SSD is usually #1; most people would do much better buying a system with a 250GB SSD and no HDD than with a 2TB HDD. Getting a better graphics card is an alternate #1, for apps that need it, such as, um, games. :/ *More* RAM is usually great.)

Sorry for answering at such length; I find this stuff interesting. :)

Anyway,

Ken
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This stuff IS interesting! I have a GTX 1060 (6 gb), which I got for $260. So I'm sure I'm fine for specs.

I also have an i5 6600 (not overclocked) and a 240gb SSD. I put this system together just to play games like Civ and MOO-- I don't play FPS. It runs Civ 5 just fine at maximum settings.

I'm curious, the 6600 is "6th generation," (3.3 gHz with 4 cores) -- how much better is it than 4th generation? I've seen the benchmarks, but how much does it matter for something like Civ 6?
 
FooTooAy said:
This stuff IS interesting! I have a GTX 1060 (6 gb), which I got for $260. So I'm sure I'm fine for specs.

I also have an i5 6600 (not overclocked) and a 240gb SSD. I put this system together just to play games like Civ and MOO-- I don't play FPS. It runs Civ 5 just fine at maximum settings.

I'm curious, the 6600 is "6th generation," (3.3 gHz with 4 cores) -- how much better is it than 4th generation? I've seen the benchmarks, but how much does it matter for something like Civ 6?
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http://superuser.com/questions/978769/are-6th-generation-intel-processors-slower-than-4th-generation

I have i7-4790k and it's pretty nice CPU :)
 
I have a Sapphire Radeon HD 7850, 1GB GDDR5. Does anybody have an opinion on that card regarding Civ6?
 
demidyad said:
Me too. My CPU just-barely-kind-of-not-really meets the minimum standard according to Hajee's game-debate.com link, but it says my GFX card (The 650M) falls far short. Which I'm a little confused about because if I google a comparison of geforce 650M vs geforce 450 (the listed minimum) it seems to be, again, just-barely-kind-of-not-really okay.

The thing is, I know I'll be upgrading within the next few months, I just would like to know if my laptop could hobble along in Civ 6 for a few months, or not run it at all.
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I just checked my machine, which also has a 650M, using the minimum requirements option, and it said it would run ok (4 stars out of 10). Did you select recommended requirements or minimum?
 
FooTooAy said:
I'm curious, the 6600 is "6th generation," (3.3 gHz with 4 cores) -- how much better is it than 4th generation? I've seen the benchmarks, but how much does it matter for something like Civ 6?
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Your post made me curious so I did a comparison on cpuboss between the 6600K and my 4670K. The benchmarks for the 6600K are higher but seems like there is very minimal difference in real world performance. I'm not sure if the socket has changed since Haswell, if it has then obviously the newer processor is better for future proofing.
 
leif erikson said:
I hope these links makes things easier for you:

Tom's Hardware Gaming CPU performance hierarchy.

Tom's Hardware GPU Hierarchy.

These should give you the relative performance of each chip type so you can easily compare.

You can also use this site to help you find specific parts at reasonable prices.

Hope it helps. :)
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This chart is a little relieving regarding my CPU, I'm in tier 4 which doesn't seem too bad. Won't be playing too many huge maps though, except one for the achievement. Even in Civ5 huge maps are a no-no for me, or even large maps.

edit: Oh shoot, I misread, I'm actually tier 5. :( Anyone know if a top of the line video card will make up for processor speed in any way? I have a Geforce GTX 970.
 
Hi,

FooTooAy said:
This stuff IS interesting! I have a GTX 1060 (6 gb), which I got for $260. So I'm sure I'm fine for specs.

I also have an i5 6600 (not overclocked) and a 240gb SSD. I put this system together just to play games like Civ and MOO-- I don't play FPS. It runs Civ 5 just fine at maximum settings.

I'm curious, the 6600 is "6th generation," (3.3 gHz with 4 cores) -- how much better is it than 4th generation? I've seen the benchmarks, but how much does it matter for something like Civ 6?
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Not that much.

Anyway,

Ken
 
my intel i5 processor is 2.2 GHz......

should i just. not buy the game? will it be completely unplayable? i know almost nothing about this stuff beyond 'how to run dxdiag' so.
 
Ovarwa said:
Hi,



No offense taken, even though I do understand these things all too well: As part of my job over the years, I am often the guy who chooses (or recommends to the guy who officially chooses) the cpu that goes into some product or another.

So while I am not at all surprised that a game with state of the art graphics will not run on my system, and am not at all surprised that the designers chose to emphasize state of the art graphics over other aspects of the game, I am disappointed, because the things that make Civ great have little to do with that.

Going a little too far: I see the situation similar to a game company deciding to release "Tic Tac Toe 2016" requiring a dedicated graphics card, preferably high-end, lots of RAM, an SSD and 4 cores, yet the AI sometimes loses on expert level, even while playing X.

I definitely sympathize with that design choice! Good AI is hard, and glitzy graphics sell, even when it gets in the way of the UI. (Not saying that's the case here, but also not saying it isn't.)

I don't sympathize sufficiently to buy a new computer. As you infer, I'm not much of a computer gamer, interested in only a few titles (and then usually become less interested as the (real) reviews come out suggesting that I might be happier replaying what I already have, and even better off doing something outside :D). Maybe if Civ6 proves to be totally awesome, I might decide that it's time for a new system, with more pixels, and perhaps turn this laptop into a Linux box. Meanwhile, other than graphics, PCs from 2011 are not that much slower than modern systems! That's something to get used to, for those of us accustomed to steeper improvements. But my laptop runs everything I use, without a hint of instability.

In fact, for most applications, I am much better off without a great graphics subsystem, which brings heat, fan noise and shorter system life to the table.

Anyway,

Ken
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Shorter system life?

-blinks- [looks at system that's been running since 2009 and is still able to run today's games fine albeit with two graphic cards updates over that period (bought top of the line cpu back in the day).]

Beg to differ, guy. Been keeping my GPU at the top end of mid range while using the base of my i7 system as the "system." NO short system life here... all GPUs retired in working (and salable) order as I don't overclock. My system currently STILL beats the recommended for this 2016 game.

And btw there is only ONE fan running in my case right now- the CPU's. The throttle for the fan on the GPU is very low most of the time as I bought with an eye toward speed, low power consumption, and low heat.

:rolleyes:
 
MadDjinn said:
well, it'll be somewhere between recommended and minimum, but the 1Gb will be a bottleneck if you try to play larger maps.
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Thank you. I usually play on standard size maps so I think it will be ok.
What does bottleneck mean here? Slower loading times?
 
Hi,

Dearmad said:
Shorter system life?

-blinks- [looks at system that's been running since 2009 and is still able to run today's games fine albeit with two graphic cards updates over that period (bought top of the line cpu back in the day).]

Beg to differ, guy.
:rolleyes:
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I'm not saying that *your* system isn't running.

I *am* talking about statistics over many, many systems. You know, averages and stuff like that.

Obviously, there's nothing at all merely average or ordinary about you or your system, so anything I have to say is totally inapplicable.

Unless there is and it is: Congratulations on taking good care of your system. Congratulations on doing well. A desktop tends to last 3-8 years, so your experience remains within the top end of normal. Similarly, my laptop from 2011 works perfectly, though I cannot upgrade its graphics. Go us.

There is value to pushing a system to its limit, getting the most bang for your buck *now*. But it is also known amongst those who think about reliability over thousands of systems rather than just one, that systems running at lower temperatures last longer *in general*, and there is value in being part of that population too.

I notice that you chose not to overclock, which also helps longevity. And I also notice that you are choosing midrange graphics, which tend to run cooler, which allows you to give up some performance in order to get money, longevity and the bliss of less fan noise. And while some folks are worrying about whether they need a 6th (now 7th!) generation cpu, you are happily chugging away with something from 2009.

In other words, eye roll notwithstanding, you are pretty much agreeing with me on all points. :)

Anyway,

Ken
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If I were a desktop guy, I would do exactly what you did: Swap out graphics subsystem.
 
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