Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
I sent you a PM with an image for the button and some other image for buttons you did. I think they look a little better than the one you posted. However most of the one you made do look good.
Tech Tree Discussion
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I sent you a PM with an image for the button and some other image for buttons you did. I think they look a little better than the one you posted. However most of the one you made do look good.
- Prehistoric: No disagreement here.
- Ancient: This era does have problems, but I had an idea about that. We should make the Classical Era run through Iron Working and Democracy, and maybe one more tech. It would require a little rewriting of the tech paths, but should be a nice solution.
- Classical: Again, Classical should go to Medieval through two techs, Feudalism and Theology, the two concepts that characterized the Middle ages.
- Medieval: Should end with Gunpowder, in addition to Education
- Rennaisance: Sure, write that up, steam power does really mark the start of the industrial Era
- Industrial: I don't think the industrial to modern jump is too bad, but if you think otherwise please elaborate
- Modern: Fine by me
- Transhuman: I'm not going into this too much, as the TH era is under constant change atm
@SO: I could help MrAzure with the tech tree for the time being, I understand all of the code involved, and have plenty of time to add this to my workload. I'll PM him about it.
strategyonly
C2C Supreme Commander
Azurian
The Azurian
Spoiler :
@MrAzure:
Let's not do techs modular, it would make things horribly complicated. The current system of discussing stuff on the forums works fine, we don't need all of this new stuff. Often the details of process will work themselves out, and I don't want to have a six-step process for every minor change. I think that the Tech Tree discussion thread should do for Prehistoric-Modern techs, and the TH and Galactic Era specific threads will be enough for discussion of future techs.
I can make buttons for myself now, so that should not be an issue.
Let's not do techs modular, it would make things horribly complicated. The current system of discussing stuff on the forums works fine, we don't need all of this new stuff. Often the details of process will work themselves out, and I don't want to have a six-step process for every minor change. I think that the Tech Tree discussion thread should do for Prehistoric-Modern techs, and the TH and Galactic Era specific threads will be enough for discussion of future techs.
I can make buttons for myself now, so that should not be an issue.
Azurian
The Azurian
So do u want to share the Civ4Techs.xml?
I don't see why not, that's the whole point of SVN versioning control, that multiple people work on the same files.
Azurian
The Azurian
I dont think there will be any conflicts in sharing Assets\XML\Technologies\Civ4TechInfos.xml at all, since we are going to be working with way different techs that will not be in conflict with each other lol.
So i agree with you editing/adding Prehistoric-Modern and I Transhuman and beyond. Remember Hydromancerx is our higher up.
I agree. =)
So i agree with you editing/adding Prehistoric-Modern and I Transhuman and beyond. Remember Hydromancerx is our higher up.
I agree. =)
Azurian
The Azurian
@ Ls612
These are the current and approved changes to Prehistoric-Modern Eras
Vokarya said:
These are the current and approved changes to Prehistoric-Modern Eras
I already know what needs doing after V24 is released tech-wise, but thanks for the heads-up.
strategyonly
C2C Supreme Commander
Those url's that you posted at NOT FOUND errors?? btw PM me please, thx.
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
I have no problem with ls612 coming in to help MrAzure out with the tech tree. However there are 3 things that you guys have to work out ...
1. Make sure you guys don't undo each others work when updating.
2. ls612 still will work on adding units.
3. Ideas are still posted in this thread and are discussed with the community as well as eventually given the "OK" by me (it makes sure things are at least doubled checked).
On a side note I also like to have Vokarya as another set of eyes in the reviewing process since he typically finds things I miss and is great as co-creating and brainstorming techs.
1. Make sure you guys don't undo each others work when updating.
2. ls612 still will work on adding units.
3. Ideas are still posted in this thread and are discussed with the community as well as eventually given the "OK" by me (it makes sure things are at least doubled checked).
On a side note I also like to have Vokarya as another set of eyes in the reviewing process since he typically finds things I miss and is great as co-creating and brainstorming techs.
strategyonly
C2C Supreme Commander
I agree 100% with Hydro here.
1. The SVN client (tortoise) has had a feature that prevents you from overwriting someone else's changes. It will automatically make you update and merge changes, so that won't be an issue.
2. I still have plenty of time for units, as well as planning unit balance for the future, which is currently still somewhat of a mess. Don't worry about that.
3. Fine by me.
4. Vokarya is often the one who is actually suggesting the tech changes, he probably understands the tech tree better than most everyone else. I always like his input, even when I disagree with it (for instance, on tech naming).
JosEPh_II
TBS WarLord
So from what I'm reading I'm gathering this:
1. MrAzure doesn't want to do the techtree changes for founding religions.
2. ls612 will be doing them, maybe
3. They won't be included until after V24 is released.
4. They won't be Dead End techs either
Questions: will they make it into the mod before or after v25?
Will they make it into the Mod at all?
And if they do, will they resemble anything close to what was outlined and posted by Hydro after my initial offering?
JosEPh
1. MrAzure doesn't want to do the techtree changes for founding religions.
2. ls612 will be doing them, maybe
3. They won't be included until after V24 is released.
4. They won't be Dead End techs either
Questions: will they make it into the mod before or after v25?
Will they make it into the Mod at all?
And if they do, will they resemble anything close to what was outlined and posted by Hydro after my initial offering?
JosEPh
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
So from what I'm reading I'm gathering this:
1. MrAzure doesn't want to do the techtree changes for founding religions.
2. ls612 will be doing them, maybe
3. They won't be included until after V24 is released.
4. They won't be Dead End techs either
Questions: will they make it into the mod before or after v25?
Will they make it into the Mod at all?
And if they do, will they resemble anything close to what was outlined and posted by Hydro after my initial offering?
JosEPh
1. Well he wants to focus on the later eras, so indirectly yes.
2. Yes, hopefully.
3. Yep. Sounds like it.
4. Most will be dead end techs, however some like Judaism will not.
5. I would hope they get into v25. Not sure what would prevent that from happening.
6. They will make it into the mod.
7. I strongly hope so. There were only a few minor changes that helped improve it, but keeps the overall core idea.
8. Hang in there buddy. This is a big change and effect a lot of things in the mod. MrAzure was already working on tech buttons for them and most looked pretty good.
JosEPh_II
TBS WarLord
Thank you for the reply and updates.
JosEPh
JosEPh
So from what I'm reading I'm gathering this:
1. MrAzure doesn't want to do the techtree changes for founding religions.
2. ls612 will be doing them, maybe
3. They won't be included until after V24 is released.
4. They won't be Dead End techs either
Questions: will they make it into the mod before or after v25?
Will they make it into the Mod at all?
And if they do, will they resemble anything close to what was outlined and posted by Hydro after my initial offering?
JosEPh
1. Correct
2. Yes, I'll do them once V24 is out
3. See above
4. Most will, I'd prefer they all are, but some need to lead to things to avoid complications.
OK, here's the writeup of the transition from Renaissance to Industrial. There are three techs that can kick off the Industrial Era:
These are the three techs that get my Industrial-1 designation.
This is the list of technologies that make up the Renaissance-6 level (behind the spoiler box):
However, Renaissance goes two levels farther. This is Renaissance-7.
Renaissance-8 is very short, with only three techs.
Photography is not the problem tech here, because it requires Patent Rights (Renaissance-8).
However, Steam Power only requires Replaceable Parts (Renaissance-6) and Scientific Method (Renaissance-4). Part of the problem here is that Scientific Method has gone backwards compared to BTS. In BTS, Scientific Method is one of the first Industrial techs, and we have put it in the middle of the Renaissance. Historically, the scientific method really takes off in the late 1600's, which is definitely Renaissance.
Military Science has an equal problem, as its prerequisites are Grand War (Renaissance-6), Military Tradition (Renaissance-6), Scientific Method (Renaissance-4), and Team Sports (Renaissance-3). I'm not completely sure what to add here. Rifling would only push Military Science up a little; Steel might push it too far.
The change I would definitely suggest is:
Steam Power
Req Techs: Replaceable Parts AND Scientific Method AND Patent Rights
- Military Science
- Photography
- Steam Power
These are the three techs that get my Industrial-1 designation.
This is the list of technologies that make up the Renaissance-6 level (behind the spoiler box):
Spoiler :
Spoiler :
Spoiler :
Photography is not the problem tech here, because it requires Patent Rights (Renaissance-8).
However, Steam Power only requires Replaceable Parts (Renaissance-6) and Scientific Method (Renaissance-4). Part of the problem here is that Scientific Method has gone backwards compared to BTS. In BTS, Scientific Method is one of the first Industrial techs, and we have put it in the middle of the Renaissance. Historically, the scientific method really takes off in the late 1600's, which is definitely Renaissance.
Military Science has an equal problem, as its prerequisites are Grand War (Renaissance-6), Military Tradition (Renaissance-6), Scientific Method (Renaissance-4), and Team Sports (Renaissance-3). I'm not completely sure what to add here. Rifling would only push Military Science up a little; Steel might push it too far.
The change I would definitely suggest is:
Steam Power
Req Techs: Replaceable Parts AND Scientific Method AND Patent Rights
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
This seems like a reasonable chnage. I approve.
We also may want to go over other possible new techs for Ancient to Modern Eras. I know there will be a lot filling up with the new religion techs but I think the longer you can stay in an era the better so you get the entire experience.
Also as we have been filling in the gaps the transitions have become much smoother rather than sudden jolts from one tech to another.
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