Tech Tree Discussion

[Azurian]

So from what I'm reading I'm gathering this:
1. MrAzure doesn't want to do the techtree changes for founding religions.
2. ls612 will be doing them, maybe
3. They won't be included until after V24 is released.
4. They won't be Dead End techs either

Questions: will they make it into the mod before or after v25?
Will they make it into the Mod at all?
And if they do, will they resemble anything close to what was outlined and posted by Hydro after my initial offering?

JosEPh

1. Actually I have no problem at all with the religions. They are great. I just believe the Tech Tree responsibility should be divided between two people, A Historical and a Futuristic, with each person having 100% focus in each respective region. I am glad LS612 is the Historical person, I admit it is not my strong area, especially with Religious and Military techs.

2. Yes, LS612 will be in charge of doing them.

3. It is up to LS612 to decide the schedule.

 

[strategyonly]

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Check your PM's

 

[AIAndy]

There is a false tech reference in the tech info: TECH_IRRIGRATION

 

[anunknownman]

right so i had an idea for a tech but never really came around to making it because it's about a very contriversial issue, i'm talking about making a modern tech called pornogrphy , i don't know if i should add this one, please show me your opinions so i could know if it's legit...

 

[ls612]

right so i had an idea for a tech but never really came around to making it because it's about a very contriversial issue, i'm talking about making a modern tech called pornogrphy , i don't know if i should add this one, please show me your opinions so i could know if it's legit...

Let's not, OK.

 

[JosEPh_II]

I'm with ls612 on this subject.

JosEPh

 

[anunknownman]

ok that's all i needed to hear

 

[Vokarya]

• Ancient: This era does have problems, but I had an idea about that. We should make the Classical Era run through Iron Working and Democracy, and maybe one more tech. It would require a little rewriting of the tech paths, but should be a nice solution.
• Classical: Again, Classical should go to Medieval through two techs, Feudalism and Theology, the two concepts that characterized the Middle ages.
• Medieval: Should end with Gunpowder, in addition to Education

I wanted to mention a couple of things here.

For the Ancient-Classical transition, I would prefer running through Monarchy instead of Democracy. Democracy is closer to the middle of the Classical Era. Monarchy is one of the classical beginning techs, unless you want to move that to the Ancient Era. I'd also strongly lean towards making Mathematics the third tech.

If you want to bottleneck the beginning of the Medieval era, we will have to do something about Civil Service and Engineering. The kickoff techs for Medieval are Feudalism, Theology, Civil Service, Engineering, Fire Brigades, and Rudder. I don't think it will hurt too much to move Fire Brigades back into the Classical Era (apparently, they were around in imperial Rome) and move Rudder to after Engineering (this is a tech I suggested, and it currently only requires Smithing). Civil Service will also need to be kicked either back into the late Classical Era or put after Feudalism (or even Theology!).

I asked about moving Gunpowder to the Medieval a while ago, and Hydromancerx said he would prefer keeping it in the Renaissance. I thought we could make a distinction between the invention of raw gunpowder (the Gunpowder tech) and applying it to weaponry (the Matchlock tech). I noticed that both the Legends of Revolution and Realism Invictus mods have Gunpowder/Black Powder in the Medieval Era, instead of the Renaissance.

 

[Laura]

right so i had an idea for a tech but never really came around to making it because it's about a very contriversial issue, i'm talking about making a modern tech called pornogrphy , i don't know if i should add this one, please show me your opinions so i could know if it's legit...

Let's not, OK.

Why not?


It had an impact throught out history, and sexuality is celebrated in many cultures. Why should it not be in the game?

 

[CIVPlayer8]

Why not?


It had an impact throught out history, and sexuality is celebrated in many cultures. Why should it not be in the game?

Well in the past, we have steered away from potentially sensitive matters, for instance someone suggested an abortion office once, but we decided against it. Also, I don't see what this technology would unlock? Do you have something in mind?

 

[Laura]

Well in the past, we have steered away from potentially sensitive matters, for instance someone suggested an abortion office once, but we decided against it. Also, I don't see what this technology would unlock? Do you have something in mind?

Pornography
Modern
Civic: Age of Consent
Strip club / Gentlemans Club
Escort Service
Nudist Colony
Sex tourism
Pornography studio
Lingerie Shop "victoria secret"

I have a thread here:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=467728

 

[Hydromancerx]

I don't think we need a specific tech for that. The buildings seems possible though.

 

[ls612]

I don't think we need a specific tech for that. The buildings seems possible though.

I really don't see the point, except maybe as a crime building (which could be affected by the Expression System).

 

[JosEPh_II]

This whole thing is absurd and a distraction to the Mod's progress.

JosEPh

 

[RidetheSpiral23]

This whole thing is absurd and a distraction to the Mod's progress.

JosEPh

That sums up my exact thoughts.

 

[strategyonly]

This whole thing is absurd and a distraction to the Mod's progress.

JosEPh

That sums up my exact thoughts.

But it is a FACT of life, especially in the USA, infact the America we now live in prospered squarely on Prostitution. That was the ONLY way we live they way we do now is because of it.

Without it, there would NOT be any Railways done (They had usually around 20 prostitutes come on the trail to keep the men happen WORKING). Fact.
The Union Army had prostitutes around every regiment of men. Kept them fighting better. Fact.
Every "bar"/saloon had them in them in the Western days, again keep the drifters/rovers happy. Fact.
90% of America in the west were prostitutes, and guess who made the law change, PROSTITUTES, by marrying men of the law, and making them change it because they didnt want there "man" to go to the bar and have "extra fun." Fact.
Its that way through out history, infact i have studied it quite well actually. All the way back to Babylon (back then they called them just plain "slaves." Caligula), and before.

 

[RidetheSpiral23]

@Strategyonly

That's all well and good. i don't think it something that needs to be pushed into the spotlight of a civ mod. It's a game not a documentary of the world. Brothel is already a building correct? Why does it need to go any further than that. Pornography as a tech? That's completely unnecessary. Age of consent as a civic? Come on...

 

[strategyonly]

@Strategyonly

That's all well and good. i don't think it something that needs to be pushed into the spotlight of a civ mod. It's a game not a documentary of the world. Brothel is already a building correct? Why does it need to go any further than that. Pornography as a tech? That's completely unnecessary. Age of consent as a civic? Come on...

Oh i agree on the civic and the tech stuff, i am just talking about buildings, sorry if i didnt explain that part. . .

EDIT: Now i would like to see a unit, of females that could so call tag along, giving happiness along the way to certain other units, like a GG or something.

 

[RidetheSpiral23]

Oh i agree on the civic and the tech stuff, i am just talking about buildings, sorry if i didnt explain that part. . .

Well I'm glad we are on the same page! I was just throwing my vote into the mix.

 

[ls612]

This whole thing is absurd and a distraction to the Mod's progress.

JosEPh

Those are my thoughts exactly, this is nuts, the discussions about sexuality, and has served only to distract me with responses and discussions with moderators. Please, everyone stop and we can get back to making the mod.