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Tech tree statistics and ingame tech tree.

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Caveman 2 Cosmos' started by raxo2222, Dec 1, 2017.

  1. Blazenclaw

    Blazenclaw eccentric eclectic

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    One thing I noticed when going through the prehistoric era tech names; there's both "Simple Wood Working" and "Woodworking" techs, the former for enabling wood spearmen, some buildings, etc, and the latter for lumber camp, log bridge, etc. Amusingly, they also both have the exact same background wikipedia text; they really probably ought to be more distinct, in at least name if nothing else.
     
  2. Faustmouse

    Faustmouse Deity

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    How about branch gathering and wood chopping (who your looking at what exactly they unlock)
     
  3. Sir Monster The Great

    Sir Monster The Great Warlord

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    Woodworking for Simple Wood Working and Logging for Woodworking could work.
     
  4. raxo2222

    raxo2222 Time Traveller

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    Updated tech tree pics to SVN 11094
     
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  5. pepper2000

    pepper2000 King

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    I know this is old news, but I only recently saw the revamped Information Era portion of the tech tree, and I just want to say that I think it is a big improvement to what we had before. Kudos to whoever did that.
     
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  6. raxo2222

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    @KaTiON_PT improved it, and I fixed requirement/recosting bugs that happened in the process.
     
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  7. KaTiON_PT

    KaTiON_PT Emperor

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  8. Dancing Hoskuld

    Dancing Hoskuld Deity

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    :lol: I see that the ideas about when pottery was invented has been thrown out the window by recent archaeology finds. In eastern Asia hunter gatherers invented it 20,000 years ago. 10-12,000 years before the farmers of the Middle East! Which is what C2C bases its tech tree placement on. They used it for making stews.

    ref: Wu, Xiaohong, et al. “Early Pottery at 20,000 Years Ago in Xianrendong Cave, China.” Science, vol. 336, no. 6089, 2012, pp. 1696–1700., doi:10.1126/science.1218643.

    Granaries (Kuijt, I., and B. Finlayson. “Evidence for Food Storage and Predomestication Granaries 11,000 Years Ago in the Jordan Valley.” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, vol. 106, no. 27, 2009, pp. 10966–10970., doi:10.1073/pnas.0812764106.) and beer (here) may also be earlier too.

    With Granaries we would only need to add an intermediate form between Storage Pit and Granary
     
  9. Toffer90

    Toffer90 C2C Modder

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    Pottery encompass many different things though, the pottery tech in C2C only encompass kiln treated ceramics (Heated at 1200-1400 celsius).
    In archaeology pottery only means any type of clay vessel, while figurines made of clay are called terracotta.

    In MToS I have an Earthenware tech close to the cooking tech, long before tribalism.
    Core C2C has Lacquerware quite early in the prehistoric (Adhesives tech I think), which is basically just glazed earthenware.
     
  10. Dancing Hoskuld

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    Well those nomads were making kiln based pottery as far as I can make out. The pottery mentioned in the article is cooking wares not ceramic statuary which is somewhat easier and earlier. It is also decorated with varying regional styles something that does not come until the pop-culture Beaker Culture (sort of the equivalent of the Blue Jeans Pop Culture of the 1960-80's; ie everyone wanted it no mater what their Culture was;) )

    Lacquerware is usually made from wood or bamboo although it can be pottery and baskets. However it is made by the same set of peoples who developed the pottery, but 7,000 years ago ie 13,000 years after they made pottery. Lacquerware is not glaze as there is no heating involved.
     
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  11. Dancing Hoskuld

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    Turns out you can fire pottery without a kiln - see here for an experimental archaeologist recreating neolithic "English" pottery.

    BTW this is what lead me to the previous stuff.

    Which begs the question what does the C2C Pottery tech actually represent? Kilns? Pottery Wheel?
     
  12. Sir Monster The Great

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    alt-tech renames updated. might just be modmod status unless asked otherwise:
    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hQeWf8sAG5_lbmsMNreaa9SlSVhhXwo-MuKW6yeb1ss/edit?usp=sharing

    Spoiler :

    Prehistoric:
    • Conduct → Codes of Conduct (better name)

    Classical:
    • Ancient Ballistics → Ballistics‌ ‌(no need for Ancient)

    • Ancient Machinery → Siege Engines (more descriptive)

    • Horse Breeding → Equestrianism (more descriptive)

    Medieval:
    • Armoured Cavalry → Barding (less wordy)

    • Armour Crafting → Plated Mail (more descriptive)

    Atomic:
    • Modern Seismology → Seismology (less wordy)

    • Advanced Metallurgy → Titanium (less wordy, more descriptive)

    • Communism → Marxist-Leninism (generally what people actually think of when they hear the word Communism)

    Information:
    • Asteroid Belt Probes → Asteroid Belt Exploration (more descriptive)

    • Bacterium Engineering → Synthetic Microbiology (more descriptive)

    • Genomic Encyclopedia → Genome Mapping (more accurate)

    • Gene Manipulation → Genetic Engineering (more descriptive)

    • Genesis Biology → Synthetic Genomics (more descriptive, fewer undertones)

    • Imaginary Physics → Transphysics (more descriptive)

    • Genetic Biochemistry → Bio-Neurogenetics (more descriptive)

    Nanotech:
    • Advanced Computers → Trinary Computing (more descriptive)

    • Advanced Environmental Systems → Space Habitats (less wordy)

    • Amplified Wavelengths → Optical Amplifiers (more descriptive)

    • Automated Robotics → Societal Automation (more descriptive)

    • Thought Scanners → Neuro-Predictive Modeling (more descriptive and fits with future reqs)

    • DNA Computing → Wetware Computing (more descriptive)

    • Dystopia Pathogens → Designer Diseases (more descriptive)

    • Hypothetical Biochemistry → Hyperbiochemical Engineering (more descriptive)

    • Media Hivemind → Geaslt Culture (more descriptive)

    • Ontology Engineering → Ontological Engineering (more descriptive)

    • Prototyped Pathogens → Synthetic Pathogens (more descriptive)

    • Supersonic Rails → Vactrains (less wordy)

    • Smart Drugs → Nanite Pharmaceuticals (more descriptive)

    • Warmachines → Battle Mechs (old name redundant)

    • Forst Beams → Frost Weapons (more general)

    • Synthetic Senetince → Perception Engineering (more descriptive)

    Transhuman:
    • Advanced Shielding → Ultrashielding (less wordy)

    • Artificial Photosynthesis → Plantoids (more descriptive)

    • Apocalyptic Pathogens → Nanite-Anima Pathogens (more descriptive)

    • Artificial Nucleosynthesis → Nucleosynthetic Production (more descriptive)

    • Binary Psychokinesis → Cybernetic Psychokinesis (overuse of Binary, more descriptive)

    • Binary Semiotics → Cybernetic Semiotics (overuse of Binary, more descriptive)

    • Binary Subconsciousness → Artificial Subconsciousness (overuse of Binary, more descriptive)

    • Binary Legelastion → Cybernetic Jurisprudence (overuse of Binary, more descriptive)

    • Extraterrestrial Agriculture → Astroagriculture (less wordy)

    • Neuron Engineering → Neuroengineering (less wordy)

    • Whole Brain Emulation → Synthetic Neruosynthesis (old name redundant according to wiki and civpedia)

    Galactic:
    • Advanced Seedships → Seedship Megagengineering (more descriptive)

    • Fusion Spacecraft → Fusion Propulsion (more descriptive)

    • Transtangible Neutrino Accelerators → Neutrino Accelerators (less wordy)

    • Launch Arcology → Arcological Seedships (more descriptive)

    Transcendent:
    • Dualflux Quantum Temporal Rift → Quantum Rift Travel (more descriptive)

    • Metaverse → Metaverse Traversal (more descriptive)

    • Deities → Deification (more descriptive)

    • Atemporal Beings → Temporal Transendnace (more descriptive and inline with pre-req)

    • Simulation Awareness → Meta-Awareness (less wordy)

    • Brane Construction → Brane Engineering (more descriptive)
     

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