Tennesee Terrorism

Rep Michael McCaul (R), Chairman of the Homeland Security Committee: He must be ISIS because he attacked the military, and that is what they have been asking people to do.

Where do they find so many stupid Republican congressmen to head these nonsensical committees? Do they give a test and assign whichever one scores lowest?

Meanwhile, NYPD's finest are getting overtime by guarding the recruiters in Times Square from imminent attack.
 
Rick Scott is the next Republican politician to play the overreaction card, along with an apparent multitude of others if you watch CNN for more than 10 minutes:

Gov. Rick Scott orders National Guard recruiters moved to nearby armories

Gov. Rick Scott ordered Florida National Guard recruiters on Saturday to work from nearby armories after attacks in Tennessee that killed four Marines and one sailor.

In an executive order, the Republican governor said he wants recruiters to move from six storefront locations into armories until state officials can evaluate and make security improvements, including possibly installing bullet-proof glass or enhanced surveillance equipment.

Since the Tennessee shootings, security at recruiting centers has come under scrutiny. Military officials have said security at recruiting and reserve centers will be reviewed, but the Army's top officer, Gen. Ray Odierno, said it's too early to say whether the facilities should have security guards or other increased protection.

Scott's order also calls on National Guard officers to make sure all full-time members of the guard are armed. The governor said a weapon will be given to members of the guard who do not currently have them.

The comments came as Navy officials confirmed a separate incident outside Atlanta, where a recruiter accidently shot himself in the leg with his personal .45-caliber pistol while discussing the Tennessee shootings with one of his recruits. Officials said he showed the sailor the unloaded gun, then reloaded it and inadvertently discharged it as he was putting it back in his holster.

Tennessee Congressman Scott DesJarlais said he has drafted legislation entitled the "Enhancing Safety at Military Installations Act" that would repeal bans on military personnel carrying firearms on military recruitment facilities and bases.

"Our men and women in uniform are owed the right to protect themselves and others while in service of our country," he said earlier this week. "While it is uncertain as to whether this legislation would have made an impact in this particular situation, it is clear that our military personnel have become targets, not just abroad, but on American soil as well. Therefore they must be given the tools to defend themselves."
The talking heads are now discussing about even requiring all active duty military service members to be armed at all times in order to protect themselves from the imminent threat posed by a single now dead man.

I can only wonder how many more accidental shootings will result.
 
or whether it was a simple criminal act.
WTH is a "simple criminal act"? No one wakes up & decides "Yawwwwn, I think I'll murder 4 marines today, no probs".

The nature of this proves it was premeditated (or the marines were really crappy marines).
 
WTH is a "simple criminal act"? No one wakes up & decides "Yawwwwn, I think I'll murder 4 marines today, no probs".

The nature of this proves it was premeditated (or the marines were really crappy marines).

Well they where at a recruitment center, but yes I think we can safely say this was premeditated incident. he probably choose this because he suspected they where easier
 
Name ONE government institution where the ISIS flag is being flown.

Palmyra, Mosul, Raqqa, Ramadi. I'm sure there's plenty in those cities.
 
The deaths occurred at the Marine base with the police apparently in pursuit of the shooter about 30 minutes after he shot up the recruiting station.
 
The deaths occurred at the Marine base with the police apparently in pursuit of the shooter about 30 minutes after he shot up the recruiting station.

I take it the marine base was a training centre? Your article says it was, In which case they where literal novices.
 
The victims:

  1. Gunnery Sgt Thomas Sullivan - two tours in Iraq, two Purple Hearts
  2. Staff Sgt David Wyatt - tours in Iraq and Afghanistan
  3. Sgt Carson Holmquist - tour in Afghanistan
  4. Lance Cpl Squire "Skip" Wells

Hardly "novices."

Do you always talk out your backside?
 
The victims:

  1. Gunnery Sgt Thomas Sullivan - two tours in Iraq, two Purple Hearts
  2. Staff Sgt David Wyatt - tours in Iraq and Afghanistan
  3. Sgt Carson Holmquist - tour in Afghanistan
  4. Lance Cpl Squire "Skip" Wells

Hardly "novices."

Do you always talk out your backside?

You know you could do with learning how to disagree with people,

I would imagine he caught them by surprise, or they where trying to defend their charges. (who ARE novices)

Also the they might not have reached the Armory quickly enough...(which have limited access for very good reason.)

well we will see when more details come available.
 
Unlike what many authoritarian conservatives are now proposing, people in the military don't walk around in the US always carrying loaded weapons. In fact, this simply isn't done anywhere unless it is a combat zone or they have been placed on alert for some reason. What is irconic is that the National Guard put out to supposedly protect such ostensibly vital resources as the tunnels leading into Manhattan were carrying their M16s. But they weren't issued any ammo for them.

But this particular incident raises an interesting question I asked earlier in this thread. Why wasn't this nearby Marine base put on alert after someone had just shot up a nearby Marine recruiting station with an automatic weapon about 30 minutes before?

I don't know what sort of base this was. It is not listed in the wiki list of Marine installations. My guess is that it is a Marine Corps Reserve base used for training purposes.

EDIT: Bingo!
 
Id say both The Charleston and This killer where mentally ill actually for the record.
I'd say they're both criminals. At least this guy was put down before the media circus could begin. Even if the Charleston kid was/is mentally ill, there's no benefit he can offer to society post-treatment that merits not executing him today.
 
You mean like holding a trial first if he pleads not guilty?

Or actual experts determining his competence to stand trial?
 
Palmyra, Mosul, Raqqa, Ramadi. I'm sure there's plenty in those cities.
I think the point was U.S. jurisdictions. But pretend they have another flag flying in your listed places and go for it:


Flag-Come-and-Take-It.jpg
 
I seriously hope that they pass the law allowing us to carry on bases I would feel quite a bit better that way.
 
I won't hold my breath waiting for the same people who cryed for the confederate flag to come down to cry for muslim radicalization to end and ISIS flags to come down.

Because you won't need to. :hammer2:
 
It's looking like this guy was more mentally ill than a committed terrorist (of course the two are not mutually exclusive - I still think that being a terrorist may itself be a form of mental illness - but that's probably a separate discussion):

The New York Times said:
In Chattanooga, a Young Man in a Downward Spiral

By MANNY FERNANDEZ, ALAN BLINDER, ERIC SCHMITT and RICHARD PÉREZ-PEÑAJULY 20, 2015

Mr. Abdulazeez had suffered for years from depression and possibly from bipolar disorder, the family representative said, adding that he had abused alcohol and possibly prescription painkillers and had gained and lost jobs. In his last months, he faced the prospect of both bankruptcy and jail time on a drunken-driving charge.

[...]

The intelligence official said there was still no evidence that Mr. Abdulazeez was directed or inspired by the Islamic State or any other extremist group, although the official cautioned that forensic testing of his computer and phone, which could yield crucial evidence, was not yet complete.

[cont.]

People committed to the idea that the US press automatically labels someone with an Arab name a terrorist can of course disregard, but for the rest of us this may partly address that question.
 
depression, bipolar, and drugs don't lead you to shoot people though.
 
How many people speculated that the attack on Gabrielle Giffords was domestic terrorism? Did the media incessantly wonder if he met up with far-right extremist groups in Oregon? Did the FBI extensively investigate whoever he came into contact with for years prior to the incident?
 
depression, bipolar, and drugs don't lead you to shoot people though.
Right, one would like to think that it doesn't need to be said, but maybe it's worth reiterating that while people who commit acts of violence like this may have some kind of mental illness, or that an act of violence like this is itself a kind of mental illness, no one should think that having a mental illness means you're violent. It isn't a two-way street. In the case of Abdulazeez, as the article points out, his motives and/or goals are unknown.

How many people speculated that the attack on Gabrielle Giffords was domestic terrorism? Did the media incessantly wonder if he met up with far-right extremist groups in Oregon? Did the FBI extensively investigate whoever he came into contact with for years prior to the incident?
I can't remember, but if you decide to look into it I'd be curious to know.
 
There was no massive investigation regarding possible connections to groups that advocate domestic terrorism, much as there wasn't such an investigation with the Charleston shooter before the FBI decided it wasn't terrorism.

After Benghazi, there will invariably be a major investigation before anybody in the federal government even hints any incident involving Muslims might not be terrorism.
 
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