Term 3 Science - From Merlin to Fibonacci
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Cyc
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People of Fanatica, to my delight, it has become apparent that the Science Rate has increased so that it has out-stepped our Science Polls. This is a very good development for the Science Department, but not so good in the Tech by Tech chosing of the people.
Therefore I have decided to expand our "3 Techs From Now" program to a "5 Techs From Now" progam. As has been discussed in this thread since its begining, it is clear that the majority of those who have spoken up wish to b-line for Democracy. This makes the leap from a 3 Tech to a 4 Tech program fairle easy at this time. According to the results of the last Science Poll, the people wish to research Banking after the study of Astronomy. That leaves us discovering the knowledge of how a Printing Press works before we finally get to research Democracy. As you can see from the picture below, Democracy would be 4 Techs from now. So, the new question is - Where do you want to be 5 Techs from now.
As you can see from the picture above, the techs with the Orange lines under them are our new Options. They are:
Gunpowder
Music Theory
Free Artistry
Economics
Navigation
Please post below and tell the Science Department where you would like to be 5 Techs from now.
Therefore I have decided to expand our "3 Techs From Now" program to a "5 Techs From Now" progam. As has been discussed in this thread since its begining, it is clear that the majority of those who have spoken up wish to b-line for Democracy. This makes the leap from a 3 Tech to a 4 Tech program fairle easy at this time. According to the results of the last Science Poll, the people wish to research Banking after the study of Astronomy. That leaves us discovering the knowledge of how a Printing Press works before we finally get to research Democracy. As you can see from the picture below, Democracy would be 4 Techs from now. So, the new question is - Where do you want to be 5 Techs from now.
As you can see from the picture above, the techs with the Orange lines under them are our new Options. They are:
Gunpowder
Music Theory
Free Artistry
Economics
Navigation
Please post below and tell the Science Department where you would like to be 5 Techs from now.
zorven
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(By the way, it would be nice to only have one place of discussion for this)
I am not sure about 5 techs from now, but here is what I recommend:
1) Astronomy
2) Banking
3) Economics
4) Gunpowder
I really think ensuring Adams Smiths' is worth going for Economics. The gold saved with Adam Smith's can help boost the science rate, leading to faster tech discoveries. I would hate for us to lose that to another civ.
I am not sure about 5 techs from now, but here is what I recommend:
1) Astronomy
2) Banking
3) Economics
4) Gunpowder
I really think ensuring Adams Smiths' is worth going for Economics. The gold saved with Adam Smith's can help boost the science rate, leading to faster tech discoveries. I would hate for us to lose that to another civ.
Cyc
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With our recent development in the Science Rate, I will now post the current Tech Path. We are currently researching Astronomy and should be done in 4 turns. We will then move on to Banking. After that, we will continue on to Democracy by getting Printing Press first. The Path is listed below.
1. Astronomy
2. Banking
3. Printing Press
4. Democracy
1. Astronomy
2. Banking
3. Printing Press
4. Democracy
Zarn
Le Républicain Catholique
I think we should go for Economics after those four, Cyc, The wonder it gives (Adam Smith's Trading Co.) can help our budget (combining it with Wall Street would make it even better).
Cyc
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I hear what you're saying zorven. You are correct in believing that Economics is a strong and important Tech. I have acknowledged your comments in prior posts. Personally, I like to be in a Democracy before I start building Stock Markets.
(wish)Originally, the people voiced their opinion to b-line straight for a Democracy, but we momentarily got side-tracked to Astronomy. This was a good thing as we picked up another Great Wonder to plan for - Copernicus' Observatory.
Now the Science Dept. feels we should move back to the original goal of Democracy, as that sentiment is still being voiced. Economics is one of the Options in the new Science Poll. I suggest you rally votes for it in one of the discussions.
Cyc
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The new Science Poll has been posted here.
zorven
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Cyc,
Thanks for posting the poll. I think you are doing a good job of getting input from the citizens. However, I think the poll is a bit biased. It assumes that the first four techs we are going to research are firmly decided and we are only allowed to vote on the 5th. There have been a couple of people, including myself, that feel the priority of the first four techs needs to be changed to allow for Economics to be inserted after Banking. I know you stated that the earlier conensus dictated a beeline for Democracy, but shouldn't this be put on the table when you go through the process of another poll? I think a new poll is a good time to see if "popular" opinion has changed given the games current circumstances.
What do you think?
Thanks for posting the poll. I think you are doing a good job of getting input from the citizens. However, I think the poll is a bit biased. It assumes that the first four techs we are going to research are firmly decided and we are only allowed to vote on the 5th. There have been a couple of people, including myself, that feel the priority of the first four techs needs to be changed to allow for Economics to be inserted after Banking. I know you stated that the earlier conensus dictated a beeline for Democracy, but shouldn't this be put on the table when you go through the process of another poll? I think a new poll is a good time to see if "popular" opinion has changed given the games current circumstances.
What do you think?
Zarn
Le Républicain Catholique
I don't think it is biased. Those four were confirmed before. Weren't they? He just wants the fifth, now.
Cyc
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Thank you Zarn, for your support. Thank you too, zorven for your kind words.
Again, zorven you are correct about the last poll only confirming Banking. I can also see you point about not have complete control over the Tech choosing process during this program switch-over. I apologize to the citizens of Fanatica for having to change the format with which we choose our Techs, but as we grow to a larger sized nation, we will be developing our research system to an even greater extent. Soon we will be researching Techs in 4 turns. That's two Techs a t/c. We have to adapt to a new research system now so the next changed won't be quite as drastic.
As a nation, we are pretty well set on heading for Democracy. This being the case, I saw no reason not to make the switch now, as most citizens would be happy with the change.
I hope you will try to see my reasoning as sound and appropriate for our current situation. We need to be 5 Techs ahead NOW. If we wait, we will slowly slip behind in queueing up the Tech Path.
Again, zorven you are correct about the last poll only confirming Banking. I can also see you point about not have complete control over the Tech choosing process during this program switch-over. I apologize to the citizens of Fanatica for having to change the format with which we choose our Techs, but as we grow to a larger sized nation, we will be developing our research system to an even greater extent. Soon we will be researching Techs in 4 turns. That's two Techs a t/c. We have to adapt to a new research system now so the next changed won't be quite as drastic.
As a nation, we are pretty well set on heading for Democracy. This being the case, I saw no reason not to make the switch now, as most citizens would be happy with the change.
I hope you will try to see my reasoning as sound and appropriate for our current situation. We need to be 5 Techs ahead NOW. If we wait, we will slowly slip behind in queueing up the Tech Path.
zorven
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Cyc,
I definetly think you are on track by planning 5 techs in advance. I am just campaigning for my preferred tech choices by arguing that there may not be consensus by the people for a quick rush to Democracy after Banking. And if that is the case, then the poll would not reflect that.
I think Democracy would be a good thing, I just don't want to miss our one shot at getting Smith's.
I definetly think you are on track by planning 5 techs in advance. I am just campaigning for my preferred tech choices by arguing that there may not be consensus by the people for a quick rush to Democracy after Banking. And if that is the case, then the poll would not reflect that.
I think Democracy would be a good thing, I just don't want to miss our one shot at getting Smith's.
Cyc
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According to this Poll, Economics will be researched after we complete research on Democracy. The results of this Poll give us our fifth Tech in advance. A new Poll will go up on Monday, 7/28.
Cyc
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As stated above, Economics will be researched after Democracy in our Tech Path to the future. But because our SciRate was so efficient in today's t/c, we finished researching two Techs, Astronomy and Banking. This means Economics is no longer 5 Techs out, but 3. Below I have posted an update to the Middle Ages Tech Tree for the current year, 920ad. As you can see, we are now researching Printing Press and from there we will go to Democracy, followed by Economics.
In our last update, we had 5 Options to choose from to vote for our next Tech to research. This time our selection is narrowed to 4. I was thinking about taking the two top vote-getters for our next two Techs, but decided against it, as I feel our SciRate might slow next t/c. Hopefully, I will be running two more Polls before end of Term. Anyway, the new Options are:
Gunpowder
Music Theory
Free Artistry
Navigation
It's a shorter list, so this should make choosing an Option easier. I will be posting a Poll very soon.
In our last update, we had 5 Options to choose from to vote for our next Tech to research. This time our selection is narrowed to 4. I was thinking about taking the two top vote-getters for our next two Techs, but decided against it, as I feel our SciRate might slow next t/c. Hopefully, I will be running two more Polls before end of Term. Anyway, the new Options are:
Gunpowder
Music Theory
Free Artistry
Navigation
It's a shorter list, so this should make choosing an Option easier.
I will be posting a Poll very soon.
I have posted a new poll asking straight up if we really want to go through printing press->democracy before economics. I do not think it is right to progress along the path of non-required before required without verifying it with the people first. Sure, we talked about going for Democracy but that was in the context of setting which major part of the tree to start on.
Cyc
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You are welcome to Poll if you like, DaveShack, but as I said in the Science discussion thread in the Citizen's subforum (which has been open since 6/30/03 and you have only just made your first contribution to it minutes ago), if you've had an opinion about the course of the Science Department, you should post here.
BTW, as you are Domestic Leader and I am Science Leader, your Poll will be informational and my Poll will be official.
BTW, as you are Domestic Leader and I am Science Leader, your Poll will be informational and my Poll will be official.
Originally posted by Cyc
You are welcome to Poll if you like, DaveShack, but as I said in the Science discussion thread in the Citizen's subforum (which has been open since 6/30/03 and you have only just made your first contribution to it minutes ago), if you've had an opinion about the course of the Science Department, you should post here.
BTW, as you are Domestic Leader and I am Science Leader, your Poll will be informational and my Poll will be official.
Things were going so well that I didn't feel it was necessary to "me too" everything. You can find plenty of comments in the poll threads, if you want to see proof of my interest...
It's not about who controls it -- I have no interest there. I would recommend that if the poll says Economics that you should consider that a sign..
Cyc
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Also, DaveShack, the two posts you've made here in this thread within the last 15 minutes have been your only contributions here. I suppose I could glean the polls for your comments. 
Originally posted by Cyc
Also, DaveShack, the two posts you've made here in this thread within the last 15 minutes have been your only contributions here. I suppose I could glean the polls for your comments.
Sorry, I don't normally copy things in more than one place. The substantial information is in the 3 techs from now before the 5 techs from now before the current one...
I also put a substantial response in the discussion thread.
To reiterate, it's your show, but I was genuinely surprised to see printing press->democracy inserted without definitive input, and the previous 5 techs from now was definitely misleading to me -- I saw it come out a day or two after the other one and assumed the tech chosen by that poll followed immediately after the one in the previous poll. I know, the info is right there... (where's the smiley for a blind man bumping into something... )
