Well i did end up going to the chat and i must say Innovia were difficult to pin down on anything, the good old we have to take it back to the team was used often The one thing they did agree to on the spot was that we trade map asap so we will send a straight map on the next turn. We agreed not to trade maps with anyone else. Also we discussed the possiblity of military unit swaps to make up for beaker difference as well as the propsed tech swaps. I also brought up the propect of trading Cossaks to them. I think BC and myself have convinced them that we need to hit epsilon/piffle before they come after us and that if epsilon does attack loco that would be the best chance for us to make an impact.