TETurkhan Test of Time (Map & Mod)

Was just wondering what your thoughts were in giving the Vikings Cardiff...

As far as i'm aware the Vikings never controlled any of Wales... I think they invaded all three kingdoms in England, and at various points controlled certainly Mercia and Northumbria. York would be the most obvious place in Britain to have under the Vikings though i guess Dublin would do at a stretch... Cardiff should be Celtic, or rename it to Bristol and have it English... was thinking maybe you didnt want York Viking because it would split up England into two, but i thought you could just make Edinburgh Celtic, Bristol English, and give the English a swordsman to represent Alfred the Great's army, so they can go a conquering if they so wish... It shouldnt make too much of i difference though i guess, Cardiff tends to culture flip in about 20 turns anyways... Just couldnt figure out why it was Viking in the first place...
 
The town of Cardiff was founded when the Normans conquered Glamorgan. A Norman called Robert Fitz Hamon conquered the area. He built a wooden castle within the walls of the old Roman fort. (It was rebuilt in stone in the early 12th century). I based ownership of the city on this... I realize cities change hands many times in history and I felt Cardiff should belong to the Normans.
 
Originally posted by Rhye
There will be one bic per time, right? Otherwise you can't set one civ to begin in medieval age: it will begin in 4000BC with medieval tech
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TET can change the starting year from 4000 BC to any number the editor would allow, like 1200 AD or something at the time of the crusades, or Dec, 1941 for WWII, or 1950's to simulate the cold war and space race.
 
Surely the Normans would be the English though... i know they did come from viking peoples who had settled in Normandy, but the whole of England was conquered by the Normans... and hasnt been conquered since. If you think of the Normans as Vikings, who are the English? The original Britons were celtic, The Anglo-Saxons were from Denmark and northern Germany. England became a unified nation basically under Alfred the Great who (along with his sons and grandsons) reconquered the Danelaw and became king of all of England, He was Saxon i believe, but the House of Wessex only lasted until the Normans came a couple of hundred years later, and the Norman nation in Britain always thought of itself as England, even if the elite still spoke French for some time...

Obviously it's your mod (which incidentally i love...) and i can at least see your point, it just feels wrong. York is famous for its Viking connection and Cardiff's feels somewhat tenuous... I know you have to pick and choose, because if you took every empire at its peak Europe would only have room for the Romans and the Vikings... and even they would clash somewhat... I just reckon it would make more sense another way round...
 
York is pretty darn famous for its Viking history... they even have an awesome Viking museum that you should visit if you ever go to York. :-p

But really I don't know if it's worth changing the mod over. Do whatever you feel like, TET.
 
The Jorvik Viking Centre? it smells funny ;)
i think they tried to recreate the probable smell of a viking settlement, s'not altogether nice...

Back on topic... i just thought that it would be a 10 minute change, and seeing as TET is still working on v2 anyway, it wouldnt be tough to change.
 
I didn't know Cardiff would culturaly flip in 20 turns. I usually build 3 warriors and capture it along the rest of the bristhis Isles.
 
Originally posted by Doctala
The Jorvik Viking Centre? it smells funny ;)
i think they tried to recreate the probable smell of a viking settlement, s'not altogether nice...
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As a matter of fact, they did. That's one of their advertising claims.

Anyway, sorry about continuing the OT line, Tet, I just wanted to finish that thought.
 
Cardiff in was founded by the Vikings but you could say it did a culture flip through the ages and is now a part of England. This is almost exactly what happens in the mod. I don't believe you cannot expect it to be more historically accurate than this.

If you have suggestions though I am all ears! :D
 
Well... ok, i guess... i still dont understand why the Normans would be more Viking than English or French. They had lived in Normandy for a couple of hundred years, and spoke a language that was more french than norse, and then basically became the nation of England...
 
<yawns>

So aside from aaglo, snoopy and UtahJazz, who else has been helping you? Are you still looking for assistance (not that I have the time to offer you any....)?
 
If you don't have that folder (it doesn't come with the Conquests version of PtW) then you can get it from the Civ3.com site. I remember seeing it posted there for downloading. For some reason they had these extras folders in PtW, but left them out of Conquests. The reason I'm adding any extras units I use directly to the scenarios unit folder. :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Doctala
Was just wondering what your thoughts were in giving the Vikings Cardiff...

As far as i'm aware the Vikings never controlled any of Wales... I think they invaded all three kingdoms in England, and at various points controlled certainly Mercia and Northumbria. York would be the most obvious place in Britain to have under the Vikings though i guess Dublin would do at a stretch... Cardiff should be Celtic, or rename it to Bristol and have it English... was thinking maybe you didnt want York Viking because it would split up England into two, but i thought you could just make Edinburgh Celtic, Bristol English, and give the English a swordsman to represent Alfred the Great's army, so they can go a conquering if they so wish... It shouldnt make too much of i difference though i guess, Cardiff tends to culture flip in about 20 turns anyways... Just couldnt figure out why it was Viking in the first place...
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They controlled Mercia but also Saxony until Normans Invaded England in 1066. York never was under Viking controll as they only did small raids in Northumbria so i think that York must be under english controll in the game.:king: [dance] :viking: :thanx:
 
Originally posted by Reno
They controlled Mercia but also Saxony until Normans Invaded England in 1066. York never was under Viking controll as they only did small raids in Northumbria so i think that York must be under english controll in the game.:king: [dance] :viking: :thanx:
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Saxony? what does that have to do with anything? it's in Germany, if you meant East Anglia, it was part of Mercia, and then part of the Danelaw, but seeing as there isnt room for an east anglian city, thats not too important...

However... York was most certainly under Viking control, they called it Jorvik... (incidentally Minky, York was around in Roman times, called Eboracum) and it was the most important city in the Danelaw. While York has certainly been either roman or english longer than it was viking, it is still the British city which would make most sense as belonging to the vikings.
 
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