The all new, totally accepted, bigotry thread - "Blame a Christian"

[Borachio]

apparently it is ....

Doesn't thought generally precede action. Hannibal Lecter struck me as a very thoughtful person.

 

[Old Hippy]

I truly believe we should respect any other beliefs that are sincerely held.

I mean we should respect the sincerity of people who hold any beliefs sincerely.

(POSSIBLY)

lets give that a try.... jesus is the reincarnation of the Hindu Krishna

Spoiler :

Identical Life Experiences
(1) Krishna was miraculously conceived and born of the Virgin Devaki ("Divine One") as a divine incarnation.

(2) He was born at a time when his family had to travel to pay the yearly tax.
(3) His father was a carpenter yet Krishna was born of royal descent.
(4) His birth was attended by angels, wise men and shepherds, and he was presented with gifts.

(5) He was persecuted by a tyrant who ordered the slaughter of thousands of infants who feared that the divine child would supplant his kingdom.

(6) His father was warned by a heavenly voice to flee the tyrant who sought the death of the child. The child was then saved by friends who fled with them in the night to a distant country. When the tyrant learned that his attempt to kill the child failed, he issued a decree that all the infants in the area be put to death. Writing about Krishna in the eighteenth century, Sir William Jones stated, "In the Sanskrit dictionary, compiled more than two thousand years ago, we have the whole history of the incarnate deity, born of a virgin, and miraculously escaping in infancy from the reigning tyrant of his country." (Asiatic Researches, Vol. I, p. 273).

(7) The Bible states that Jesus and family fled to Egypt afterward to escape from King Herod. According to the Christian apocryphal text "the Gospel of the Infancy," the family traveled to Maturea, Egypt. Krishna was born in Maturea, India, hundreds of years earlier.

(8) He was baptized in the River Ganges.
(9) The missions of Krishna and Jesus were the same - the salvation of humanity.
(10) Krishna worked miracles and wonders such as raising the dead and healing lepers, the deaf and the blind.

(11) Krishna used parables to teach the people about charity and love.
(12) Jesus taught his disciples about the possibility of removing a mountain by faith. According to tradition, Krishna raised Mount Goverdhen above his disciples to protect his worshipers from the wrath of Indra.

(13) "He lived poor and he loved the poor."
(14) Krishna washed the feet of the Brahmins and transfigured before his disciples.
(15) Krishna's teachings and Jesus' teachings were very similar. The celebrated French missionary and traveler, Evarist-Regis Hucv, who made a journey of several thousand miles through China and Tibet, stated, "If we addressed a Mogul or Tibetan this question, 'Who is Krishna?' the reply was instantly 'The savior of men." According to Robert Cheyne, "All that converting the Hindoos to Christianity does for them is to change the object of their worship from Krishna to Christ." Appleton's Cyclopedia says this about the teachings of Krishna: "Its correspondence with the New Testament is indeed striking."

(16) There is an extra-canonical Hindu tradition which states that Krishna was crucified. According to some traditions, Krishna died on a tree or was crucified between two thieves.

(17) He descended to hell, rose bodily from the dead, and ascended to heaven which was witnessed by many.

(18) Krishna is called the "shepherd god" and "lord of lords," and was considered "the redeemer, firstborn, sin bearer, liberator, universal Word."

(19) He is the second person of the trinity, and proclaimed himself the "resurrection" and the "way to the Father."

(20) He was considered the "beginning, the middle and the end," ("alpha and omega"), as well as being omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent.

(21) His disciples bestowed upon him the title "Jezeus," meaning "pure essence."
(22) Krishna is to return again riding a white horse to do battle with the "prince of evil," who will desolate the Earth.




"How, if you hear that the man newly dead is, like the man newly born, still living man - one same, existent Spirit - will you weep? The end of birth is death; the end of death is birth: this is ordained!" - Bhagavad Gita (The Song Celestial: 2)

"I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again ... no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You must be born again.' The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit." - Jesus Christ (John 3:3-8)

 

[Borachio]

lets give that a try.... jesus is the reincarnation of the Hindu Krishna

Yes, I've been struck by the similarity before. What is your point?

I am intrigued.

 

[Old Hippy]

Yes, I've been struck by the similarity before. What is your point?

I am intrigued.

None really cept to point out that truely held ideolgy themselves don't realy hold any special meaning that requires respecting them ... the Flying Spaghetti Monster, communisum, then Facism it seems odd to start from the postion that we should respect a truly held belief....

 

[Borachio]

None really cept to point out that truely held ideolgy themselves don't realy hold any special meaning that requires respecting them ... the Flying Spaghetti Monster, communisum, then Facism it seems odd to start from the postion that we should respect a truly held belief....

Yes, I agree. Largely, at any rate. I realised when I was posting I was probably going to get myself tied up.

I do think though we should respect the people who hold any beliefs whatever. Without exception. Categorically. It would take, I hope, some effort to shift me from this view. Would you care to try?

 

[Whiskey_Lord]

Why do all beliefs automatically deserve respect?

 

[Agent327]

That´s a valid question. Although you should realize that all ideologies ultimately rest on a belief, i.e. a conviction that not necessarily may be true, yet that the believer holds to be undeniable.

(I´ll refrain from commenting on the OP since it is useless to argue with a believer.)

 

[Old Hippy]

Yes, I agree. Largely, at any rate. I realised when I was posting I was probably going to get myself tied up.

I do think though we should respect the people who hold any beliefs whatever. Without exception. Categorically. It would take, I hope, some effort to shift me from this view. Would you care to try?

No... I actually agree with you there...

its just a bugbear of mine... we used to all the time hear "respect for Muslins" yep no problem... now its "respect for Islam" from community leaders, as if no one would notice

 

[bernie14]

total rubbish....psychopathy has nothing to do with a person's thought or speech, it's all about their actions

so its another life style choice...

ok children, i've found some educational material regarding psychopathy that hopefully all of you can understand, it is written in "commun folk" language, as not to scare anyone with fancy terms like "superego" (just a tad outdated dontcha think).....

point being, there is no such thing as a "mild mannered" psychopath.....the diagnosis is exclusively used when certain conduct and behavior is manifested....

i may think exactly like hannibal lecter, yet not have your liver for dinner.....the difference between a psychiatrist and a psychopath


EDIT:

with respect to beliefs being respected, well sure, as long as they dont start interfering with my beliefs and wishes....."oh, but I am going to save you"....."we know better"...."it's for your own good".....it seems the greatest harm has always come from those claiming the "greater good"...

 

[Old Hippy]

ok children, i've found some educational material regarding psychopathy that hopefully all of you can understand, it is written in "commun folk" language,

Thank you that was educational and a good link where i actually learnt something

Cognitive behavioral therapy and behavior modification can help change problematic patterns of thinking and encourage positive behaviors.

i was only having ago at your...

psychopathy has nothing to do with a person's thought

 

[Borachio]

Why do all beliefs automatically deserve respect?

I think we've agreed - i.e. I've been educated - that not all beliefs automatically deserve respect.

That´s a valid question. Although you should realize that all ideologies ultimately rest on a belief, i.e. a conviction that not necessarily may be true, yet that the believer holds to be undeniable.

(I´ll refrain from commenting on the OP since it is useless to argue with a believer.)

Whose a believer? You surely don't mean me, do you? I don't hold with believing things apart from stuff like I believe London is the capital of England. Even though "E" is.

As far as I'm concerned people can believe whatsoever they like. I could believe I was the Queen of Sheba. And there's no problem until I go acting on that belief. Or run around telling people, tugging at their sleeves, "Hey, you know what? I'm the Queen of Sheba!"

edit: but on second thoughts people have in the past acted on their beliefs with a good result, sometimes, haven't they?

ok children, i've found some educational material regarding psychopathy that hopefully all of you can understand, it is written in "commun folk" language, as not to scare anyone with fancy terms like "superego" (just a tad outdated dontcha think).....

point being, there is no such thing as a "mild mannered" psychopath.....the diagnosis is exclusively used when certain conduct and behavior is manifested....

i may think exactly like hannibal lecter, yet not have your liver for dinner.....the difference between a psychiatrist and a psychopath


EDIT:

with respect to beliefs being respected, well sure, as long as they dont start interfering with my beliefs and wishes....."oh, but I am going to save you"....."we know better"...."it's for your own good".....it seems the greatest harm has always come from those claiming the "greater good"...

Not much new there for me. Sadly it seems I know a bit about psychopaths already. I think the only way is to watch out for them at a very early age.

Sociopaths Antisocial Personality Disorder types, I have heard, are alarmingly common. At least at the milder end of the spectrum.

There may even be some evolutionary reason for it IIRC.

CBT is about the only psychiatric/psychoanalytic practice that I have much confidence in. Though I do realise they have a difficult job. And CBT is totally inappropriate for psychopathology.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

Genesis does not clash with any proven scientific facts, just theories.

as was said, "theory" means a lot more than "hey guys, here's out best guess". And you know this, because you've been told this.

The fact of the matter is, you have tested evidence on one side, and sheep herder logic on the other.

Science has presented evidence that genesis is not literal, god is currently MIA in this argument.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Genesis does not clash with any proven scientific facts.

Of course not. Since it's just a story aiming to convey a message.

But I wonder if you're familiar with the scientific research done on snakes which proved none of them actually talk?

@ jtb 1127, I am not saying that merely opposing my beliefs is hateful, it's the way some people do it. It's so annoying when an Atheist says "ignorant Christians, so stupid, how coulld they possibly still believe their foolish, outdated, religion". That is what I hate. Also, people have this idea in their minds that Christians have it so easy and are always oppressing other people (especially homosexuals). Whenever a certain poster we all know the name of posts the 200th thread about anti-gay discrimination he is praised as promoting civil rights. Every time I talk about persecution of Christians (which anti-gay persecution doesn't compare to) I have an agenda.

That certain poster is praised? Bull.

And how does Christian persecution you encounter *straight face* stack up against anti-atheism in your neck of the woods?

This.

It just so happens to be the perfect thread for the evolutionists to hammer in how stupid us Christians are, however (Thanks Kochman for a bit of humor)

It's a thread by a Christian begging us to tell Christians to stupid they are so he and others can go: "see?"

You lot have to grow some virtual balls. You have no issues telling other people based on your faith how they do wrong and then start crying a river when you have to reap what you sow when they dare to reply. Chin up and grow up ffs. Be that proud Christian you think you are in your head.

Lots of my loved ones and near family were/are Christians. How can I make any sort of statements about Christians when those fine, proud people have the same denomination as the woe-is-us-poor-Christians-whiny-little-brats (not based on their religion, based on their behaviour. Their Christianity doesn't shield them from being called out on their patheticness) that are on display in this thread. When I said the Bible calls us fools, you go: hihihihi yes it does When you are called a fool you go: How rude!

I don't mind Christianity. I don't mind Christians. I mind people who hammer themselves to a cross and then go: look at poor little me!

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

I truly believe we should respect any other beliefs that are sincerely held.

I mean we should respect the sincerity of people who hold any beliefs sincerely.

(POSSIBLY)

Not only that you can respect the sincerity but other good qualities as well. By seeing and appreciating the divinity in others you realise your onness with them and Gods love for them. Then there is no problem.

 

[Borachio]

Not only that you can respect the sincerity but other good qualities as well. By seeing and appreciating the divinity in others you realise your onness with them and Gods love for them. Then there is no problem.

This is one way of putting it, certainly. (I think)

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

This is one way of putting it, certainly. (I think)

Ïf Buddha and Jesus would met they would have embraced each other. But their followers may be ready to hate and suspect the other party. Just an examle of how absurd things can get.
Although Buddha never spoke about Father in heaven his compassion and love were coming from that Source.

 

[Borachio]

I want a new religion. None of the ones I've looked at fit me.

Can I/we start a new religion? Is it legal? Can we claim charitable status? (I'm expecting stationary expenses)

I want a religion:
1. that excludes no-one.
2. is simple and easy to understand
3. promotes the sum total of human happiness

Can we still have pancakes on pancake day, please?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

4. Everyone is responsible for his or her own actions. No third party who operates behind the screens and is to be credited with positive outcomes, but remains blameless in case of negative ones.

Maybe new thread for this excellent idea.

 

[useless]

Genesis does not clash with any proven scientific facts, just theories.

@ jtb 1127, I am not saying that merely opposing my beliefs is hateful, it's the way some people do it. It's so annoying when an Atheist says "ignorant Christians, so stupid, how coulld they possibly still believe their foolish, outdated, religion". That is what I hate. Also, people have this idea in their minds that Christians have it so easy and are always oppressing other people (especially homosexuals). Whenever a certain poster we all know the name of posts the 200th thread about anti-gay discrimination he is praised as promoting civil rights. Every time I talk about persecution of Christians (which anti-gay persecution doesn't compare to) I have an agenda.

I assume you're referring to me.

 

[Borachio]

4. Everyone is responsible for his or her own actions. No third party who operates behind the screens and is to be credited with positive outcomes, but remains blameless in case of negative ones.

Maybe new thread for this excellent idea.

I don't know how you do this.