The all new, totally accepted, bigotry thread - "Blame a Christian"

[aelf]

What is pathetic? The bashing, or the reveling in the bashing?

Help! Help! I'm being repressed!

You know, I would like to be a Professor when I'm older, but that's not going to be easy unless I give up my faith.

I don't think your faith matters unless you're trying to be a biologist or something while being a YEC, or you're a dick about it. It's more likely that you wouldn't make it for whatever reasons (some of which are plain to me) and then blame it on people's prejudice towards your faith.

 

[Borachio]

I already proved that the existence of God is undecidable, years ago. Maybe you missed that.

I certainly missed it. Is it a long proof? It is certainly my understanding that the existence of God (for a given value of God) is undecidable. But you will appreciate my understanding is not to Ivy League standard.

What value of God did you use?

I don't think your faith matters unless you're trying to be a biologist or something while being a YEC, or you're a dick about it. It's more likely that you wouldn't make it for whatever reasons (some of which are plain to me) and then blame it on people's prejudice towards your faith.

I'm not sure becoming a professor is a matter of ambition, anyway. Just suddenly one day you find you've turned into one, while doing something else.

I heard this on the radio this evening:
"On two legs a man might walk a mile - on one leg, he must hop."
Is it deep?

 

[ParadigmShifter]

It was based on prob(God) > 0, and the size of the universe.

 

[ParkCungHee]

I don't think that you understand the article, then, if you think that what Nietzsche says here is closer to Dawkin's vulgar materialism than to Hoffman's criticism of it.

It's possible he also doesn't understand Nietzsche. I'd say Dawkins is exactly the sort of man Nietzsche foresaw and wanted to create an alternative to.

 

[Borachio]

It was based on prob(God) > 0, and the size of the universe.

Really? Can you post a link to it, please?

I still need to know what value of God you used, though.

edit: I would expect it to be the transcendent. Though there's the immanent too. And no doubt others. If I remember, many traditions maintain that existence is not a characteristic of God anyway (this can be confusing - but it's never been an issue for me. I have no problem with people believing in God or not. Whether he exists or not. Belief doesn't win any points in my book. Did I just write that? Yes, I did!). I expect you know this.

 

[timtofly]

Help! Help! I'm being repressed!

Spoiler :

I don't think your faith matters unless you're trying to be a biologist or something while being a YEC, or you're a dick about it. It's more likely that you wouldn't make it for whatever reasons (some of which are plain to me) and then blame it on people's prejudice towards your faith.

Having a hard time keeping up with the patheticness of the thread?

 

[Mr. Dictator]

Dear father in heaven, hallowed be thy name, shower me and my brothers with a bountiful harvest of post-count, for we want.

Amen.

*crickets*

Hmm...he must be busy.

 

[bernie14]

You said that he lacked an "inner policemen", by which I assumed you meant a superego or equivalent inhibition. Somebody with an underdeveloped or absent superego is a psychopath. Thus, you seemed to be arguing that Richard Dawkins was a very well-mannered psychopath. Understandably, I found this a bit shocking, and was wondering if you would be able to expand upon it.

total rubbish....psychopathy has nothing to do with a person's thought or speech, it's all about their actions

 

[Old Hippy]

total rubbish....psychopathy has nothing to do with a person's thought or speech, it's all about their actions

so its another life style choice...

 

[Formaldehyde]

I don't think that you understand the article, then, if you think that what Nietzsche says here is closer to Dawkin's vulgar materialism than to Hoffman's criticism of it.

It seems that most atheists don't understand it in exactly the same way. rjosephhoffman seems to be condescending and yet greatly lacking in the understanding of basic scientific knowledge from these two articles. Perhaps being deliberately rude and obnoxious while showing general ignorance of the subject matter at hand is a new school of philosophical thought?

 

[GhostWriter16]

I don't think your faith matters unless you're trying to be a biologist or something while being a YEC, or you're a dick about it. It's more likely that you wouldn't make it for whatever reasons (some of which are plain to me) and then blame it on people's prejudice towards your faith.

What if I'm a YEC who wants to be a professor in a non-scientific field (Say History or some other form of social studies) does anyone think that would be a severe handicap? Not asking what anyone thinks about my beliefs, asking what effect they will have in the real world.

 

[woody60707]

I blame Christianity (and feminist) for all the abortions I have to pay for.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

What if I'm a YEC who wants to be a professor in a non-scientific field (Say History or some other form of social studies) does anyone think that would be a severe handicap? Not asking what anyone thinks about my beliefs, asking what effect they will have in the real world.

It shows a deficiency in intelligence, so it'd be better to hire someone else.

 

[aelf]

Having a hard time keeping up with the patheticness of the thread?

Having a hard time sympathising with your feeling of being persecuted.

I'm not sure becoming a professor is a matter of ambition, anyway. Just suddenly one day you find you've turned into one, while doing something else.

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What if I'm a YEC who wants to be a professor in a non-scientific field (Say History or some other form of social studies) does anyone think that would be a severe handicap? Not asking what anyone thinks about my beliefs, asking what effect they will have in the real world.

I don't think people would care, to be honest, unless you go around making a fool of yourself (which would earn you a bad rep in many other professions as well).

 

[JollyRoger]

What if I'm a YEC who wants to be a professor in a non-scientific field (Say History or some other form of social studies) does anyone think that would be a severe handicap? Not asking what anyone thinks about my beliefs, asking what effect they will have in the real world.

I think the closer your History specialty got to the so-called creation, the more your YEC beliefs would be a roadblock.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Celticempire wasn't cherrypicking his opponents here, there's simply no way of arguing that Darwin was anti-Christian because he was ... um, a Christian. And unlike many of his contemporaries and todays Evangelicals he saw no problem in being one while proposing the Theory of Evolution.

Seems like Darwin would have described himself as agnostic, gradually more so as he got older.

I'd agree that his writings weren't specifically anti-Christian in any way, they just happened to be pro-scientific theory that contradicts the Bible. Not necessarily the same thing.

 

[useless]

Well Darwin was a scientist, what do you expect him to do? To ignore his duty as a scientist and not to report on his findings in an objective manner? To allow his belief or lack of belief to influence his findings?

 

[IdiotsOpposite]

Just want to put this out there, scientific theories are called scientific for a reason. It's not just scientists saying "this is what we think happened", it's scientists saying "this is what we think happened, and here's all the empirical data that agrees with us."

 

[Old Hippy]

Seems like Darwin would have described himself as agnostic, gradually more so as he got older.

I'd agree that his writings weren't specifically anti-Christian in any way, they just happened to be pro-scientific theory that contradicts the Bible. Not necessarily the same thing.

one of Darwin's biggest critics was Lord Kelvin who argued the Sun was just not old enough to support Darwin's time lines... But it was based on Coal being burnt and it would take years for the scientific proof to emerge, I would like to think Lord Kelvin would change his mind, i would like to think YEC's would value Kelvins Christan and scientific views, but they don't... they still Quote his arguments against Darwin and think its scientific

 

[GhostWriter16]

Well Darwin was a scientist, what do you expect him to do? To ignore his duty as a scientist and not to report on his findings in an objective manner? To allow his belief or lack of belief to influence his findings?

I didn't say he should or shouldn't do anything. In fact, if you didn't already know I disagreed with Darwin, that one post should not be seen as proof of the fact.