The all new, totally accepted, bigotry thread - "Blame a Christian"

[JollyRoger]

Is "it" the same process that people had 2000 years ago?

2000 years ago, you had a less educated population, but I guess there will always be suckers for the myth-toters to con. Pretending to like Jesus is often good for an extra fifty bucks an hour to my billing rate.

 

[timtofly]

2000 years ago, you had a less educated population, but I guess there will always be suckers for the myth-toters to con. Pretending to like Jesus is often good for an extra fifty bucks an hour to my billing rate.

So those who stopped praying to the "gods" did so, not because they were educated, but because someone secretly was bilking them out of their money? Did uneducated people use Christianity for a way to better their lives? Did educated people do it to better their lives? I do think that Christians today use lawyers not to protect the name of Jesus, but to protect their own selfish interest. In fact until the governement changed in their favor Christians were killed and did not try to wiggle their way out of being called a Christian. Now they wiggle out of mistakes to keep the name Christian hypocritically.

 

[kochman]

2000 years ago, you had a less educated population, but I guess there will always be suckers for the myth-toters to con. Pretending to like Jesus is often good for an extra fifty bucks an hour to my billing rate.

But you're a lawyer, everyone knows you have questionable scruples by default...

 

[kochman]

Again, how to tell from the outside. Assuming that only one religion is right, how to tell apart the spiritual experience of a Buddhist and a Christian monk?

That's not really my concern....

Because under this premise, only one of them can be truly divinely inspired. And if you want to argue that it was in both cases the true (say, Christian) God who caused these divine inspirations, how can the Buddhist remain Buddhist after actually experiencing the Christian God?

Uh, Christianity & Buddhism are actually compatible...

And the reverse has also been known to happen. Anecdotal evidence doesn't impress me.

You asked if it is possible, so, the answer was quite relevant... Yes.

You know what's also trolling? Calling other people trolls.

Great.

I on the other hand just employed the rhetorical tool of exaggeration to illustrate my point (and provoke a response). I'm sorry if I offended you, I thought people here were capable of taking pointed arguments in good faith.

Not at all offended, I'm just not taking the troll bait.

I hear people claiming that all the time. Now you can say they don't mean it literally, why do they use this metaphor, then?

When they say "God spoke to me", I doubt they often mean literally. Why the metaphor? It's a part of the English language...
That song really speaks to me... Or that image really speaks to me... somewhat common phrase in English.

 

[Cutlass]

So those who stopped praying to the "gods" did so, not because they were educated, but because someone secretly was bilking them out of their money? Did uneducated people use Christianity for a way to better their lives? Did educated people do it to better their lives? I do think that Christians today use lawyers not to protect the name of Jesus, but to protect their own selfish interest. In fact until the governement changed in their favor Christians were killed and did not try to wiggle their way out of being called a Christian. Now they wiggle out of mistakes to keep the name Christian hypocritically.

It's always mixed. Throughout history there have been people who were genuinely converted, and people who were just told that they must do it all their lives, and so did. There were people forced to go through the motions by some threat, and there were people who went through the motions just for personal selfish reasons. There were people who honestly tried to convert/teach others, and there were people who defrauded the sheep. You can't really separate the groups very well. Since those with bad motives will lie about it, and you often can't tell a fraudster from a fool.

 

[Ajidica]

Can I blame Christians because my last carton of Tang powder is gone?

 

[kochman]

Can I blame Christians because my last carton of Tang powder is gone?

Absolutely.

 

[timtofly]

It's always mixed. Throughout history there have been people who were genuinely converted, and people who were just told that they must do it all their lives, and so did. There were people forced to go through the motions by some threat, and there were people who went through the motions just for personal selfish reasons. There were people who honestly tried to convert/teach others, and there were people who defrauded the sheep. You can't really separate the groups very well. Since those with bad motives will lie about it, and you often can't tell a fraudster from a fool.

Thank you. I understand that there were fraudsters. At that time though even the "educated" were still praying to Zeus. People tend to forget that there was an overlap going on. According to Jolly it was always just a gimmick. Besides the first one's converted lived by a law that may have been strange to Zeus followers, but parts of that law have been borrowed even by the greatest minds of the last 2000 years. Why would one even give up the stability of a governing force that was a step forward from worshipping unkown entities.

One may scoff at that law all they want, but it was a step up from stone age lawlessness. It was the first private property ownership that for the most part was a peaceful and respected ability that was not kept by force, but by mutual respect of the law. Am pretty sure that it was as corrupted as todays' law system, but to say that educated Jews were equated to Zeus followers of the time is a stretch.

 

[IdiotsOpposite]

My sister is a Christian. Ergo, the 40 minutes she spent doing her hair this morning, I blame on all of Christianity.

Hey, I wanna jump on the bandwagon too

 

[kochman]

Oh, you've been a Christian basher plenty of times already, don't worry.

 

[IdiotsOpposite]

Oh, you've been a Christian basher plenty of times already, don't worry.

Despite being one myself. It works so well for me.

It does mean that whenever I screw up on something, I can blame Christians. Which is nice.

 

[Traitorfish]

I blame Christians for Kochman's incoherent use of the term "Christian basher".

 

[Leoreth]

That's not really my concern....

Uh, Christianity & Buddhism are actually compatible...

You asked if it is possible, so, the answer was quite relevant... Yes.

Well, if you prefer paddling at the surface of my argument, I don't think it's worthwhile to continue to discuss it.

I'm pretty sure you know what I'm talking about and just refuse to engage it, and instead default to construct scenarios to attack my way of illustrating my argument without addressing its content.

For the record, I don't think you will claim that all religions are compatible with Christianity (and frankly, you need a pretty ridiculous understanding of Chrisitianity and Buddhism to claim they're compatible), so pick any of these religions and repeat my example.

This pedantry is nothing but sophistry on your part.

When they say "God spoke to me", I doubt they often mean literally. Why the metaphor? It's a part of the English language...
That song really speaks to me... Or that image really speaks to me... somewhat common phrase in English.

A convenient ambiguity then. Also a somewhat spurious argument considering it doesn't exist in the other language I'm fluent in

 

[kochman]

For the record, I don't think you will claim that all religions are compatible with Christianity (and frankly, you need a pretty ridiculous understanding of Chrisitianity and Buddhism to claim they're compatible), so pick any of these religions and repeat my example.

According to you, perhaps. Buddhism is more a way of life than diety worship, and that way of life is very compatible with Christianity.

 

[Traitorfish]

Christianity offers eternal salvation. Buddhism offers self-obliteration. Bit different.

 

[useless]

I have to take issue with this thread; in what way has bigotry towards christians become acceptable?

Unless by "bigotry" you mean challenging beliefs that dehumanise women, LGBT people and others?

 

[Formaldehyde]

What use is a free an open exchange of opinions if we can't place certain groups on a pedestal to be deliberately excluded from discussion?

 

[kochman]

I have to take issue with this thread; in what way has bigotry towards christians become acceptable?

The irony is so thick you could cut it with a knife.

 

[Formaldehyde]

The irony is that Orwell wasn't a Christian.

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." George Orwell

"Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them." George Orwell

 

[kochman]

Thanks, another brilliant post.