The Ancient Mediterranean MOD (TAM)

[96th PA]

It's working for me now, thamis. Great job!

 

[thamis]

Well, as we know now there still are bugs, but version 1.4 will hoefully remove them.

Another note:
TAM version 1.3c is designed for PTW version 1.21f. For all those who use PTW 1.14f, there are two labels.txt files. You can use the other labels.txt file for version 1.14f.

 

[Pangur Bán]

Thamis, I've seen the super cool map. Is there any room for the Picts/Caledonii or even the Scotii? The Picts aren't Britons in case you don't know. I think I counted 29 civs, that would mean 2 more possible civs. I can get city and leader list (Calgacus) and pictures. There is now an appropriate UU BTW.

 

[thamis]

Sure, we can include more if you provide me with the details. I'm not sure where the picts and caledonii are from, though...

 

[Pangur Bán]

Originally posted by thamis
Sure, we can include more if you provide me with the details. I'm not sure where the picts and caledonii are from, though...

You could only really have one of these. I'll let you chose.

#PICTS:

Location: Northern Britain/modern Scotland

UU: The Picts were straightforward pitched battle warriors, who were said to cover their bodies with tatoos. A Pictish warrior has been "made" already for the Yoda Power's Medieval Mod, but it is just a warrior with extra powers.

Here is a modern(ish) painting of a Pictish warrior:

King/Chief: Calgacus

Leaders:

Nechtan
Brude
Cruithne
Talorc

List:

Caledonii
Decantae
Vacomagi
Epidii
Damnonii
Novantae
Venicones
Taezali
Votadini
Lugi
Smertae
Cornavii
Carnocacae
Creones
Cerones
Fortriu
Fib
Mar
Ce
Fidach
Cait
Dundurn
Dunkeld
Scone
Forteviot
Forres
Dunblane
Inverness
Inchcolm
Dunnichen
Dinas Eiddyn
Whithorn

 

[Pangur Bán]

#SCOTII

Location: western Scotland or Ulster


UU: the Scotii were the precursors of the Vikings. They did to Roman Britain what the Vikings did to Anglo-Saxon England. They were sea-borne raiders. Probably the Coracle.

King/Chief: Fergus Mor mac Erc (Fergus the Great son of Erc)

Leaders:

Niall Noighiallach
Fergus mac Feradach
Domangart
Domnall Brecc
Custantin
Conall Condomna

List:

Dalriada
Loairn
Oengusa
Gabrain
Robogdii
Darini
Erdin
Vennicnii
Cruithin
Voluntii
Blanii
Ebdani
Cauci
Menapii
Coriondi
Nagnate
Auteini
Concani
Cauci
Dunum
Eamhain Macha
Regia
Dunadd
Dalarridhe
Oirghealla
Cill Rimhinn
Dunpharlain
Cambuskenneth

 

[thamis]

Thanks.

 

[Yoda Power]

Originally posted by calgacus
UU: The Picts were straightforward pitched battle warriors, who were said to cover their bodies with tatoos. A Pictish warrior has been "made" already for the Yoda Power's Medieval Mod, but it is just a warrior with extra powers.

actually, it was a request from gael, i just used it.

 

[Pangur Bán]

Originally posted by Yoda Power


actually, it was a request from gael, i just used it.

Ye, sorry Yoda Power.

The Pictish Warrior is here:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44651

 

[thamis]

I'm sorry to say but we ran out of colours... it's not possible to add any other CIV to TAM.

 

[gugalpm]

I'm playing the mod and think it's incredible, but I have a doubt:
Why can't I enter mountains???

 

[thamis]

Because in the ancient times mountains were a natural barrier. People didn't really travel across mountains. Of course there are those exceptions like Hannibal, but other than that...

Oh, and light infantry units (that's mainly archers) can cross mountains.

 

[gugalpm]

So it does mean that I cannot mine, road mountains???
IMHO I don't think that's game-balancing...
I have a resource on a mountain and I cannot have it... very good, ha?

 

[thamis]

No. Workers can enter mountains of course. also, once you have a road onto the mountain, you can cross it with heavy units.

The original idea was to prevent settlers from crossing natural barriers like the Alps or the Caucasus. In ancient times this was the rule - nobody crossed mountain ranges.

The following units CAN cross mountains:
- Worker
- Scout
- Explorer
- Archer
- Longbowman
- Leader
- Bowman
- Fire Longbowman
- Raider
- Elite Bowman
- Swordman (Barbarian)
- Peltast
- Berserk
- Gallic Swordsman
- Princess
- King Units
- Mesopotamian Bowman
- Dacian Greatswordsman

 

[thamis]

Source: http://www.cdgroup.org/forums/tbs/civ3/viewtopic.php?t=2845
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Another idea... this is a biggie!

In CIV3 it's possible to give techs to one and only one civilization, they cannot be traded or researched. What I'm suggesting now is that each CIV gets one technology at the start, which gives them one advantage. And I'm saying unique here - no double advantages (not like in CIV traits or UUs)! These techs would be there from the beginning on, but some of the advantages could rely on resources or buildings from later techs to enforce a late advantage.

Some ideas:

Babylon:
Ziggurat - cheap building that gives +1 culture

Phoenicia:
Phoenician Trader - cheap ship 2 transport, better than coracle

Rome:
Forum - cheap courthouse

Assyria:
Gilgamesh Epic - Won that doubles science in city

Minoans:
Quay - small harbor that allows coastal trade and gives +1 trade in sea squares

Germanic Tribes:
Call to Arms - can draft from the beginning on (too powerful?)

Goths:
Gothic Settler - cheaper settler (too powerful?)

Etruria:
Etruscan Pottery - cheaper Granary

Egypt:
Sphinx - Won, 2 non-era techs

Lydia:
Mausoleum of Halikarnassos - Won, 3(?) happy in city

Sheba:
Aqueduct of Marib - Won, free Aqueduct in each city (they really need it!)

Greece:
? maybe a cheaper library...

Persia:
?

Gallia:
?

Scythians:
?

Carthage:
? something with ships or the sea...

Berber:
?

Medes:
?

Israel:
? something biblical...

Hittites:
?

Kolchis:
?

Huns:
?

Dacians:
?

Iberians:
?

Brittons:
? something with druids...

 

[thamis]

We have already found out that it's stupid to give civs extra buildings with cumulative effects (like marketplace), that would be too strong.

 

[Yoda Power]

Did´nt you had problems with Carthage´s UU´s?

 

[thamis]

Yea, but now the War Elephant will be a normal unit and Carthage will get the Elite Light Cavalry.

 

[Yoda Power]

Originally posted by thamis
Yea, but now the War Elephant will be a normal unit and Carthage will get the Elite Light Cavalry.

Well what about some sort of trade wonder then?

 

[thamis]

Harbour of Carthage can be made Carthage-Specific.